Weird thoughts

Kayser

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I'm making this post kinda on a whim, but this question came to me and I want to see what you guys think. Have you ever taken some time to just think about life and the world we live in and consider just how amazing and terrifying some of the things humans have done. I mean, we are able to use a lump of mean in our heads to come up with (supposedly) individual thoughts and then translate those thoughts through other lumps of meat and connective tissue in order to physically change the reality that we're in. 

 
Well yes, I have thought about these things before and whenever the questions pops into my mind, I try to surpress the thought. I probably shouldn't feel that way but thinking about life makes me think of my future and I'm not sure if what I'm doing with my life (like what I'm studying and all the other stuff) is right and therefore the thought what lies ahead kind of scares me.

What always really amazes me are languages. The thought of people developing these complex language systems over centuries and how different they can be. I mean, why do we speak the way we speak? Why do some tribes in Africa make clicking sounds when they speak? How did that come about? Why don't we all speak the same way? I don't mean the same language but what we use in our mouth while we speak. Why do in people in one language produce a certain sound that is totally weird to others? And how does someone come up with clicking sounds or another sound and how does it catch on? How did one thought in our head turn into the word that we call "tree" or "cat" or "home"? I know all of these words used to be different but if you go waaaay back in time, how did people come up with the original? That really fascinates me but I will never be able to have a definite answer for this.

 
Yeah, the thing about languages that kind of amazes me is how we are able to take a series of electric pulses between pieces of the lumps of meat in our head, interpret that as an idea and then pass that idea through mouth noises set up in such a way that someone who knows the code can interpret it as their own series of electric pulses between the lumps of meat in their head. 

I mean looking at it from a wider perspective. Language derives meaning because people give it meaning right? Unless you're clued in the mouth noises someone makes to you might as well be as meaningful as the sound of a fart. But certain mouth noises can make people cry of happiness or terror and the fart sound is funny or grosses us out. 

 
Channeling my inner Sargun:  #philosophy  

With that out of the way, I do find big thinking very useful.  I'm a bit of a physics and technology nut.  I watch rocket launches (and landings) and technology press conferences being streamed on the internet.  I find this pursuit of knowledge, into the unknown, fascinating.  I feel that it helps me keep perspective on things that really matter.  I enjoy the fact that we accelerate particles to nearly the speed of light, smash them into other particles to create nearly infinitesimally small particles that exist for fractions of fractions of seconds in order to better under an incomprehensibly large thing known as the universe.  And yet, when I go on my adventures to the wilderness, spending days or weeks free of any technology, I feel at home.  Like I were meant to live a simpler life.  Where the only things that matter are food, water, shelter, and the people I'm with.  To think about all those stars I can see free of the blanket of light in the big city.  

What always really amazes me are languages.
I am a regular listener of a podcast by Stephen Dubner called Freakonomics (author of a book by the same name).  The podcast is a hybrid of behavioral economics, psychology, and sociology.  Recently, they ran an episode literally named "Why Don't We Speak the Same Language."  I figure you might enjoy and could give you experts and resources to pursue further insight.  You can stream the episode, download it, or read the transcript at the link.  The follow on episode explores the thought of which language should we all speak?

 
I am a regular listener of a podcast by Stephen Dubner called Freakonomics (author of a book by the same name).  The podcast is a hybrid of behavioral economics, psychology, and sociology.  Recently, they ran an episode literally named "Why Don't We Speak the Same Language."  I figure you might enjoy and could give you experts and resources to pursue further insight.  You can stream the episode, download it, or read the transcript at the link.  The follow on episode explores the thought of which language should we all speak?
I usually don't like listening to podcasts but I have downloaded the episode and will listen to it as soon as I feel like it. Thank you :)

 
"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal!  Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again." 

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."

 

 
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