War on Terrorism Mafia Night 5

Shouldn't we just wait until the investigator (or the equivalent of it) come up with a lead?

Random lynch never works

 
Cenna said:
vote pirate monkey

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Thanks bae.

vote Bear because I agree with Patrick, the game isn't going to go anywhere unless we lynch. Plus, the mafia wouldn't want us to lynch anyone since they'd be totally safe to kill whoever. Therefore you seem suspicious to me. Just sayin.

 
Wait, I suspect Alex Taylor, but I'm not quite placing a vote yet. My reasoning is that he's shown lots of knowledge and has helped to town a lot with regards to information and strategy in the game. Unless the mafia wanted to frame him, he'd have been killed if he was not mafia.

 
So how do we get information to help the non-mafia in this game? i.e. Could I share an action I may or may not have used that would help with our leads, or would that be against the rules?

 
I am not impressed with this forum game in the slightest.

  • The directions and rules are unclear.
  • the roles in play are not clear. the maneuvering abilities and actions and changes in the mafia are not clear to the non-mafia.
  • If this is to be played again we need more answers and clearer guidelines

    not "in a real game, we experienced players and moderators would just ignore these silly little questions you all have."

[*]If this game was advertised as for all experience levels then it should cater to the least experienced person, not the veterans.

I applaud the several Knights attempting to fuel discussion and keep it lively here but overall I am not impressed. If this game reaches its conclusion I will not be signing up for another round. 

 
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Patrick MacFarlane said:
I am not impressed with this forum game in the slightest.

  • The directions and rules are unclear.
  • the roles in play are not clear. the maneuvering abilities and actions and changes in the mafia are not clear to the non-mafia.
  • If this is to be played again we need more answers and clearer guidelines

    not "in a real game, we experienced players and moderators would just ignore these silly little questions you all have."

[*]If this game was advertised as for all experience levels then it should cater to the least experienced person, not the veterans.

I applaud the several Knights attempting to fuel discussion and keep it lively here but overall I am not impressed. If this game reaches its conclusion I will not be signing up for another round. 
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Have you never played mafia before?

The whole point is that you're not supposed to know the roles. I am a specific role but I don't know what other roles there are. None of that matters. All that matters is who we're going to lynch and hopefully that person is ISIS.

Do you understand now? Just calm down and vote for someone. You don't have to know what everyone can do, or what role can do what, to play this game. You are a specific role and you play it. That's it. There is no skill or experience or whatever it is you're complaining about.

Obviously you're not used to mystery games

 
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I have played before in multiple groups with varying rules but never has it been this ambiguous. I am failing to see how cooperation is possible if we do not even know what might be going on. 

And I voted on the last page. 

 
I'm not as much confused as I am bored and underwhelmed. Because post, ignore, and wait fails to bring any depth to the game. If I know what might happen in the night and I know what kind of roles are in play you can better guess who might be doing what, especially as the numbers are whittled down. Not even knowing what roles we have limits what I can infer about the game. And this is why I think we needed better explanation from the onset of the game. Because I was expecting some information not a game of throwing darts in the dark in a crowded room. We can't get enough votes together for a lynch because we are just guessing which is because we have no starting information.  

 
Patrick MacFarlane said:
I'm not as much confused as I am bored and underwhelmed. Because post, ignore, and wait fails to bring any depth to the game. If I know what might happen in the night and I know what kind of roles are in play you can better guess who might be doing what, especially as the numbers are whittled down. Not even knowing what roles we have limits what I can infer about the game. And this is why I think we needed better explanation from the onset of the game. Because I was expecting some information not a game of throwing darts in the dark in a crowded room. We can't get enough votes together for a lynch because we are just guessing which is because we have no starting information.  
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I think it's just because it's the beginning of the game. Only one person has died so far so I can see why you're bored and underwhelmed. I guess it would help to know what roles are in play. I feel you on that.

 
Bear said:
Shouldn't we just wait until the investigator (or the equivalent of it) come up with a lead?

Random lynch never works
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This is a very suspicious thing to say, especially since no lynch got us nowhere. Like my initial reaction to Nerddragon's death is, "welp no lynch was a bad idea." It just gives ISIS a head start.

It also sounds like a ploy to dig out the investigator and other power roles.

Vote Bear.

I suspect Patrick too. Bear had subtly defended Patrick, so if Bear is guilty, it's likely that Patrick is too.

We do know a few things:

ISIS would have hit the biggest threat first. This would most likely be a power role like investigator or doctor. There are hints to these roles and I think I figured out who the investigator is but it would be dumb to expose him.

If there's a doctor (someone who prevents a mafia kill), he would likely be on me, unless he figured who the investigator was in round 1.

This would make the first kill be on someone other than me. It should be on someone who is of possible threat. Nerddragon voted for Patrick for good reasons, and I had unvoted Patrick. If Patrick was ISIS, that would make Nerddragon's threat level higher than me.

The investigator has two options - expose himself and an innocent person now or wait until he gets a confirmation on a guilty person.

If he exposes himself now, he will provide us with an ally we can trust. However, that makes him a direct target for ISIS. If there is no doctor, then the investigator and the proven innocent are both as good as dead.

If there is a doctor, it neuters ISIS a bit because they have to guess between killing the cop and killing the confirmed innocent(s). So this is one argument towards early exposition.

We know now that roles are exposed on death, so we can trust any info given by investigator after an autopsy confirms his righteousness.

However, this is not foolproof because I suspect the theme (ISIS and nations like Kuwait) allows ISIS to recruit "survivors" into their ranks. This is probably a one-shot or limited use move otherwise it'd be too OP.

The longer the investigator waits, the more time mafia gets to figure it out and hit him before he can say anything. So he should expose himself eventually.

If there is a doctor, he should not admit it, because then there would be nobody to protect him.

 
I feel like random lynching wont take us anywhere, it'll just help out the Mafia, who ever is the cop needs to investigate and let us know when he finds a Mafia. If he lies, we will kill him the next day since that would be suspicious to lie about being the detective. 

 
Apparently NerdDragon had voted for Cenna, who had voted Alex Taylor, on Day 1. Currently Cenna is voting Piratemonkey, who may or may not be scum, but I highly doubt he is. I feel that Cenna is acting suspicious, either because he's mafia, or because he's simply been unlucky with placing votes.

Also, sorry for saying that Alex Taylor was suspicious in my earlier post; I was a rushed when I typed the post and not really reasoning deeply.

 
unvote

vote Bear

I don't remember Bear defending me but Bear has more votes I think and we have to do something or we are handing the game to the Mafia/ISIS

 
Infinite Citadel said:
So how do we get information to help the non-mafia in this game? i.e. Could I share an action I may or may not have used that would help with our leads, or would that be against the rules?
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Share what you want to say at your own risk as long as you aren't quoting anything from your role that was given to you.

Vote Count:  17 alive so it takes 9 to lynch

Pirate Monkey: 1  Cenna

Robert E Lee: 1.  Woot

Bear: 4.  Japan, Pirate, Alex, Patrick

 
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Piratemonkey said:
Have you never played mafia before?

The whole point is that you're not supposed to know the roles. I am a specific role but I don't know what other roles there are. None of that matters. All that matters is who we're going to lynch and hopefully that person is ISIS.

Do you understand now? Just calm down and vote for someone. You don't have to know what everyone can do, or what role can do what, to play this game. You are a specific role and you play it. That's it. There is no skill or experience or whatever it is you're complaining about.

Obviously you're not used to mystery games
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I couldn't have answered this any better myself.  The rules and guidelines for most people have been followed just fine.  You talk, you try to figure out who is mafia and you vote them.  If you have a power role at night time it gets submitted to me and processed. 

The only roles that matter are 1) your role and how you play it since each role has their own given win condition.  If you have a question about your win condition then you can shoot me a message.  Also for the "Town" members of the game, it should've been pretty clear as many members have referenced it to kill off ISIS.  For those that are "mafia" sided the opposite would have to happen. 

In regards to at my normal site, it's stuff that we have taken for granted over the time we have played it.  Every person that had a question and messaged me has at least gotten a reply back to their question.  That is catering to the different levels here as I stated before if you have any questions about your role to ask me in a message. 

What's in the game is 17 alive players.  Some of them are ISIS.  Unless you are ISIS your job is to try to figure out who the ISIS members are and lynch them during the day or to night kill them at night. 

Day 1 is always the most blah day since there is always little to go on that day.  Each day after you have more information you can discuss from voting patterns to those that had night actions revealing it to prove or disprove others etc.....  If you ask nicely maybe, ISIS will let you know who they are so you don't have to actually try to figure it out(sarcasm here I'm a sarcastic SOB).

 
Seriously though, random lynch never help

Simply because in a game of mafia, the town start of with the majority. A random lynch means that you are more likely to lynch a town that the evil who is the minority

 
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