US 2016 Election Prediction

Patrick MacFarlane

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The two presumptive nominees, Hillary Clinton (D) and Donald Trump (R), have historically low approval rating for this point in the election year. If it was between those two alone that I believe it would be a very close race between Clinton and Trump. The Electoral College is stacked to favour the Democratic Party a little this election year but I think the populace is underestimating just how much damage Trump can do to opponents when backed into a corner, remember, this is the kind of thing he has done all of his life. That would balance the playing field and it would be a toss up. 

However, unlike many elections in the recent past, 2016 is not a two-party election. There are at least one very viable third-party candidate, possibly three. Those I wish to point out would be the Libertarian ticket of Gov. Gary Johnson and Gov. Bill Weld, Green candidate Jill Stein, and Independent Bernard Sanders. The requirements in place currently to reach the presidential debate stage is 15% of the popular vote (as an average of five accredited polling institutions in the US) which as a major building block for a successful campaign. At least two of the possible third party candidates should be able to reach this minimum by the deadline.  

The Libertarian Party has made great strides this election cycle by getting on the ballot in all 50 states as well as so far having approximately 10-11% of the popular support in the nation. Between the Presidential candidate former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson and former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld have a stronger political history than either presumptive nominee from the two "big" parties. Bill Weld was also a Prosecutor and is a charismatic fund-raiser. They are running on a campaign of "fiscally conservative and socially 'I don't give a damn!'" (according to Johnson) which they argue would please most Americans. 

Green Party candidate Jill Stein has also grown greatly in the polls this election cycle. Last I saw they were polling around 4-6% of the popular vote. From what I understand, the Greens run on a social justice, equality, feminism and decentralization. They are a liberal third party. Stein has been a strong candidate for Massachusetts governor twice but has fallen short both times. 

And Bernard Sanders,  still a part of the Democratic Party scene, is a possible third party candidate. Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist wishing to follow much in the footsteps of successful European nations already taking on his radical progressive ideas. He has expressed little loyalty to the Democratic party saying things to the effect of 'you have to play for one team or the other to even have a chance' and 'you have to be a billionaire to run as an independent and I am not billionaire'. Despite both he and his wife's denial of a potential run for the election in 2016 as an Independent these things do not show anything other than his detest for the Democratic Party. He already has well in excess of 15% of the popular vote. 

I predict that first, Clinton and Trump will get their respective parties' nominations. Shortly thereafter Bernard Sanders will announce he will continue seeking the presidency in 2016 on an Independent. He will have no problem reaching and exceeding the 15% hurdle and neither with Gov Gary Johnson. Both will get entrance into the debates despite the Republican and Democratic Parties' (and their nominees') very vocal objections to such as uprooting of American democratic tradition. Jill Stein will not make it to the debate stage but remain a growing voice as the two party system continues to be challenged. 

When it comes time for the election Sanders and Johnson will easily be able to block either of the two big parties from reaching the 270 Electors needed for the White House. a couple of states expected to vote Democrat this year would likely vote for Sanders at least partially. States predicted to vote Democrat that overwhelmingly voted for Sanders in their primaries could reasonably expected to vote for Sanders due to his energized campaign and zealous young supporters. Likewise, several traditionally conservative states, ones in which Trump preformed poorly in during the primary race, could be expected to vote for Gary Johnson as a strong supporter of military and conservative spending. 

When Johnson and Sanders do block the Democratic and Republican nominees, the decision for the next President will be left up to the House of Representatives as per the Constitution. This is where things get even harder to predict because both Johnson and Sanders should both receive between 15 and 20% of the popular vote leaving at most only 70% of the population to split between Trump and Clinton. I would expect in this scenario probably a near even split of 35-35% because although Clinton has the advantage over Trump, Sanders will claim more of the liberal vote than Johnson will of the conservative. That would leave a near balance between the Republicans and Democrats. Still, in the House no one is the definitive winner of the election. The House will be mostly Republicans but as the US has seen over the past four years, the only thing a large majority in the House accomplishes is fractures within the party structure. There are just too many differences between Northern Rep, Southern Rep, Mid-West Rep, and then there's Dr. Rand Paul.

Once the vote comes to the House I would expect that a large number would be split between Trump --party loyalty-- and Johnson --sacrificing the conservative social for the sake of blocking Clinton or Sanders-- which would be a fierce debate in which Trump may or may not get more votes. On the smaller, Democratic side of the House, I would predict that almost all of the representatives would vote against Sanders and his radical socialist agenda and instead settle for Clinton as the establishment candidate, despite the baggage she brings too the Democrats with a few outliers casting votes for Johnson's socially inclusive platform.. If Sanders secures a solid number of votes in the House then I might be possible, with the smallest majority, for Johnson to become President as a compromise between the social agenda of the Democrats, Sanders Independent, and the military heavy and fiscally conservative Republicans, but it would be an extremely close race between Johnson and Clinton. It is far more likely that the House will stick with the candidate they know better despite and inadequacies. 

By the end of November 35% of the United States will likely be celebrating as Hillary Clinton is announced as the next president of the United States. The remaining population will be understandably upset and fractured behind their failed candidates. Soon after election Johnson supporters and then much later Sanders supporters will relax and support Clinton as president. Trump supporters however will remain heated for quite some time and the Republican party will try to distance themselves from him as he does the same to them, both blaming each other for a broken campaign leading to failure. 

Below, I have generated a 2016 Electoral College map depicting the idea scenario for Johnson (pink) and Sanders (light blue) to definitively block Trump (red) and Clinton (dark blue). This would show Johnson holding about 14% of the Electors from states that Trump got less than a 50% popular support in. Some subjective calls had to be made in states from early in the race because so many candidates were in the primaries. One such state was Texas, although Trump lost to Cruz I would still expect Texas to back the Republican candidate and not a third party. Any traditional/expected blue states in which Clinton polled less than 45-50% in the primaries/caucuses I awarded to Sanders. This method ended with Sanders possessing approximately 19% of the Electors including Florida which was a special case somewhat like Texas. Florida really depends on which district and region of Florida voters have a better turnout this year but I gave the state to Sanders.  

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I will reiterate, the idea behind this map is not accuracy but rather the ideal scenario for Johnson and Sanders as third party candidates. As the election approaches and people are realizing there are more than two candidates, many of them superior to Trump or Clinton, I think that Electors will be encouraged to break the mold of the typical two-party vote casting.  I believe it is entirely possible and likely that this election year will see a third party take at least one state's Electors and not in the way Governor Wallace did in 1968 securing 8% of the Electorate, this likely will not be a movement isolated to a small geographical area. In fact, even if Sanders does not run as a third party it is possible for Johnson to take a state or two and block either party from reaching the magic 270. Even though he will not likely win his home state he may secure enough to shake the two-party system's foundation enough to pave the way for future third-party candidates to dismantle the two-party control and achieve the presidency. 

 
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I don't think Sanders will run third party, he's said he wouldn't run iirc. He also missed a lot of the deadline for appearing on state ballots, so it would have to be a massive write in campaign and a logistical nightmare. 

I don't like Trump or Clinton, will either vote for Johnson or Stein.

 
I don't think so.  I really doubt that Sanders will run as an independent.  And while I do think that Johnson will be able to pull away enough votes to hit the 15% threshold and prevent either candidate from clearing the 50% mark I don't think he'll actually win any states.

 
Yeah Sanders is meeting with Hillarys camp now,  expect his endorsement shortly.  I honestly have no idea who I'm voting for,  I can't believe in this country these are the 2 candidates we came up with.  I guess what's more important is who controls the Senate. Lots of Republican seats are up. 

 
I cannot imagine why he wouldn't run third party. I understand the deadlines and all are getting really tight but right now, before he endorses Clinton he could easily secure several states. 

And I think that Johnson could perhaps win a few, low elector votes if he really campaigns. He is an awkward, quirky guy that is far from a typical politician. If Sanders does not run as an independent, I will admit, there is a much smaller chance that Johnson will carry any states because he is less of a populist figure. But I think we could see him taking places such as ND, ID, and WY but that is only IF he adjusts his campaign strategy. Right now he has said he is running a "50-state campaign" and that isn't going to get him anything, it'll make him a Perot in 2000 and people will call him a spoiler candidate. He can carry a a few states and if the trend keeps up he might be able to secure a few low elector blue states as well which might help block Clinton if Trump gets his head on straight

 
Because it would prolly split the democratic vote leading to Armageddon. This is the issue with FPTP and a large reason third parties never really work out in the US 

 
Sanders refuses to run 3rd party because he doesn't want to be Ralph Nader 2.0.

We need to the fix our current ballot system to make 3rd parties viable, because the current structure results in you having to vote for one candidate to avoid putting the other in the white house, basically a lesser of two evils duel.

 
The US is screwed. end of story.

However, I'm surprised you gave Sanders Fla. plz elab

 
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Very solid swing state, 50-50 split Dem and Rep and personally I think it's more likely it will go Democrat this year because too many people in swing states are downright scared of Trump. The demographics of Fl are also way wrong for Trump, he needs more blue-collar, low education, disgruntled american voices and I believe FL is just too diverse for his common rhetoric to make a huge appeal in the general election campaign. Even in the primaries he only secured 45% against a shattered enemy. So Trump was out of the race. Down to Sanders, Clinton, and Johnson in Florida. Florida is a big state and although the Libertarian party's platform can appeal to a LOT of people, I don't think Johnson would be able to focus on a swing state as much, he has to work on sneaking out other small 50-50 states with a less complex race going on. So Johnson is prety much out except for maybe 10 percent of the vote.

Next, I looked at a few different sources and even still FL looked like a dead heat between Clinton and Sanders. It was a toss-up and I just think that Sanders with his outside of the establishment rhetoric like he played after getting screwed in Nevada would go far to make him more appealing than the "same old-same old" democratic establishment figure. Trump and Brexit have proven that the populist appeal and fear/shock-producing rhetoric is the way to win over the silenced voters who secretly hate the establishment. and in a four-way race for the White House, most establishment and traditional voter practices are really up in the air. 

So, Trump would scare voters, it would be foolish of Johnson to invest a lot of time in Florida, and suddently a four-way race  has become a one-on-one between Clinton and Sanders, I think Sanders' populist appeal would simply stir up Floridians more. Sanders carries Florida by little more than a Gore-Bush margin but I think he might carry it nonetheless. 

I hope my train of thought wasn't too hard to follow

 
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I'm afraid a lot of people will vote 3rd party or dem just to spite DJ Trump, despite not knowing any of his policy simply because "he's a racist loud mouth" - which unsurprisingly I've heard more in Australia than I have from you guys here, who are extremely against trump. Nevertheless, the point still stands. One of my best mates refuses to identify with trump even though their political alignment match perfectly simply because of what he has been shown of trump.

despite all this, both trump and sanders has created a significant impact on the American political scheme through strong grassroots movements which have shifted the attitudes of the people. But in a general election, Hillary will beat trump simply because trump is who he is, and people will vote against him - yet people have no clue what Hillary represents or stands for (which is nothing but personal gain anyway).

I think trump represents a gamble for the Americans in a similar fashion to the brexit for the English - you can continue living a bad life, or you can vote for uncertainty which may make your life greater, or perhaps make it worse. A big part of the independence campaign was that the powers that be will just continue strangling England. At least if the English voted out they would be in the dirt by their own accord, but there is the chance they live better lives. Trump is the same. if Hillary gets in she will just continue strangling the American populace for all they're worth. 

I don't know enough about independents or 3rd parties to make an educated comment, but I'd assume that they won't have a major impact on the election, despite gaining a lot of votes. That sends a powerful message, but there's just not enough behind them to make a real effect on anything - I could be wrong though, someone will correct me.

 
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Democrats will vote third party because they are stupid, allowing the opposing party's candidate to get elected by a narrow margin.

It has happened multiple times in the past. Third party steals votes from democratic candidate, less popular republican candidate wins majority. Republican becomes president.

I'm not going to let Trump become elected and be able to choose three (?) Supreme Court justices all because I wanted to be an idealist asshole. Therefore I'm not going to be an idiot and vote Sanders or Stein. Because I understand American politics and don't believe that you have to vote only for the person you 100% believe in. It's just not realistic or even logical.

 
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Third party steals votes from democratic candidate, less popular republican candidate wins
Third parties do not "steal" votes from anyone unless every citizen has signed a contract to one party or the other. They do not "steal votes" they win supporters. They enable voters to express their political opinions which in turn reflects the political landscape of the nation as a whole. 

If Sanders endorses Clinton I will lose every bit of respect I have for him. He has reiterated time and time again that he is "a man of principle and not party" and although I do not agree with his platform, I have nothing but respect for him. Respect for his transparency and honesty and strong convictions in the face of a strong opponent such as Clinton. But if he endorses Clinton at the last minute, he throws away all of his convictions and betrays the thousands of loyal supporters he has massed at his side. If he bows to the two-party system when he has been playing the whole game as an outsider then what has he really done? He will have proved nothing other than that establishment must win every single time and that is something I can never stand for. 

I defend third-party voting because in the immediate two elections after a successful third-party run, no, they will not win. But what this does allow is the growth of ideas that challenge the Republican and Democratic gridlock on American politics. In the long run, twenty or thirty years down the road, this gradual growth can feasibly challenge the two party system and as soon as one more party gets into the mix solidly, it will open a floodgate for people to express their actual political opinions. In that day and age it will no longer be considered "not realistic or even logical" to vote third party because they have a chance. And I look forward to that very likely future. That is not idealism, it is logical optimism. Because it can happen. 

I will admit, Sanders potential abandoning of his supporters and bowing to Clinton and the establishment does make it extremely unlikely for any other third party to get any electors. He is the crazy-haired old man that 25% of American voters are in love with and if anyone could open up the floodgates, it would be him. If  Sanders would just run third party then I would say it is very likely to see Electors casting votes outside of the Republican and Democrat parties. And if he was winning over presumptive Democrat Electors then moderate-conservative voters and Electors would not feel so odd casting votes for a borderline fringe man like Gov. Gary Johnson. But Sanders bowing out of the race will jeopardize almost any progress away from the establishment which the supporters of Sanders, Trump, Stein, and Johnson all wish to see. 

Sanders holds in his hands the power to make long-lasting change in the system he has said he abhors. He can change the course of American history on July 25th if he chooses and it may not go the way he wants it to this election year, it may not go his way in four more years, but what he has the power to do is clear a space on the front of the American political stage for candidates such as Johnson and Stein. That's not being "Nader 2.0" that is called taking the steps to be the change you wish to see in the world. Without him though, the change he claimed to want to make is going to be very very slow. 

 
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I don't see it. Every time we've seen a third party candidate run. They have siphoned off votes from the party they originally ran in/the political leaning. I'm not arguing that he should support Hilary or even that Hilary should be supported at all. Its just history and its happened many time without fail.  Long lasting change in our political system will only happen at a comprehensive restructuring on how we could and cast votes. That won't happen because its not a political issue atm. 

 
Third parties haven't changed the two party system in the past. Like I said, this happens a lot in American history. A third party crops up, allows a bad candidate to become president, and then people lose interest in the third party and revert back to voting Democrat in the next years. I can google all of this and present it to you, but I don't have all day to be debating this. If you would like to look it up yourself, pure more than welcome to.

People only pretend to get serious about third parties during presidential elections. If you are actually serious about changing the two-party system then you should be fighting for your preferred third party in the ballots for your local and state representatives. Presidential elections don't change shit. When the shit hits the fan, it's because people neglect their state and federal representation. If you want your third party to be legit, vote for them in your local elections, if possible.

I admire third party voting to an extent. But I don't admire when people only vote for their third party during a presidential election, but don't actually give a shit about them when it's time to elect your congressional and state representation.

 
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Third parties haven't changed the two party system in the past. Like I said, this happens a lot in American history. A third party crops up, allows a bad candidate to become president, and then people lose interest in the third party and revert back to voting Democrat in the next years. I can google all of this and present it to you, but I don't have all day to be debating this. If you would like to look it up yourself, pure more than welcome to.

People only pretend to get serious about third parties during presidential elections. If you are actually serious about changing the two-party system then you should be fighting for your preferred third party in the ballots for your local and state representatives. Presidential elections don't change shit. When the shit hits the fan, it's because people neglect their state and federal representation. If you want your third party to be legit, vote for them in your local elections, if possible.

I admire third party voting to an extent. But I don't admire when people only vote for their third party during a presidential election, but don't actually give a shit about them when it's time to elect your congressional and state representation.
What we need to do is change the voting system to make third parties viable at the state-wide/national level. as the system is currently set up, the US gov't only has the capacity to have 2 running parties, as people refuse to vote for their preferred candidate to avoid putting another candidate in power. What we should have is making people rank the potential candidates that go above a certain polling threshold(5%?), while still allowing for write-ins. This makes third parties viable, as now once the third party concedes, the vote transfers to your next pick, which allows, for example, people who want to support the Green party not having to risk electing Donald Trump.

 
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What we need to do is change the voting system to make third parties viable at the state-wide/national level. as the system is currently set up, the US gov't only has the capacity to have 2 running parties, as people refuse to vote for their preferred candidate to avoid putting another candidate in power. What we should have is making people rank the potential candidates that go above a certain polling threshold(5%?), while still allowing for write-ins. This makes third parties viable, as now once the third party concedes, the vote transfers to your next pick, which allows, for example, people who want to support the Green party not having to risk electing Donald Trump.
I wouldn't mind that. the required percentage of popular support definitely needs to be lower than 15%! And I wouldn't mind seeing the Federal Elections Committee abolished being that they are unconstitutional in the first place. Anyone polling 5% or more nationwide should be in the debates and on the ballots in every state nationwide. 

I also wouldn't mind a multi-vote elimination style voting. Everyone votes their top two picks, bottom candidate gets dropped, everyone votes their next top two, bottom gets dropped and so on. This would ensure the president has the majority of the nation behind them on the final ballot unlike an all-out election between four people where it is possible to have a president chosen in the House who only secured 25% of the popular support. 

This may or may not be how a caucus in the US works, I think it's something like this and I like it. It would encourage multi-party coalitions. So, for example, if the Republican (Trump), Democrat (Clinton), Independent (Sanders), Libertarian (Johnson), and Green (Stein) candidates were all somehow equal in popular support nationwide it wouldn't be that big of a stretch to see a coalition between the Independent and Green parties with a Sanders-Stein ticket. 

I feel like a system like this would allow for a better expression of the nations real political views.