Torture allowed?

Should the military be allowed to use torture to gain information from terrorists (or any other enem

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • No

    Votes: 11 64.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Total voters
    17
I think that if they have to find a bomb or something they already do that, better torture him than let the bomb explode

 
Citizens or prisoners of war, never. Foreign terrorists? It's extreme but there are equally extreme situations could warrant it. It's easier to stomach doing that to combatants than, for example, killing children in drone strikes, which almost everyone accepts as a unavoidable reality of the conflict.

 
Torture doesn't work.

If they live long enough they eventually say whatever will end it.

Gaining trust is most effective way of obtaining information.

 
Smith said:
This type of discussion is always amusing because the average citizen sees torture as a cruel necessity while our own military admits that it doesn't even work:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-government-torture-doesnt-work/5530591
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Almost all those sources are complaining about the trustworthiness of the information. What's so ineffective in a case where there's a fast easy way of checking the truth of the information? For example, a password to a device, or the exact location of a bomb set to go off in a city. Then "anything to make it stop" can only be the truth. I don't buy the argument that it's a totally useless thing that we don't have to a moral debate over because it's just never a solution to any problem ever.

 
This isn't a good poll  - you can't group together normal soldiers and terrorists. 

Torture vs soldiers: absolutely not - they are just following orders. 

Torture vs terrorists: yes - they are willingly distorting their religion (in most cases) to justify inhumane acts of viciousness. They don't deserve the protection human beings get. 

 
Chief Savage Man said:
why does every torture thing turn into a writers meeting for 24
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When someone makes an absolute argument like "information from torture is useless because they lie and it can't be verified", any counterexample is enough to undermine it. I don't think where's the bomb, where's the training camp, what's the password, etc, are outlandish scenarios. But it's not like we have access to a whole lot of real data in this argument.

 
Woot said:
When someone makes an absolute argument like "information from torture is useless because they lie and it can't be verified", any counterexample is enough to undermine it. I don't think where's the bomb, where's the training camp, what's the password, etc, are outlandish scenarios. But it's not like we have access to a whole lot of real data in this argument.
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"where's the bomb" is not a situation in which you torture someone, because bombs don't work that way

"where's the training camp" is not a situation in which you torture someone, because they'll just lie - this has happened over and over

"what's the password" is not a situation in which you torture someone, because there are other, more productive ways to get it to work

torture does not work.  

 
Torture doesn't work, as the military, CIA, etc have admitted to multiple times, literally look up any article on waterboarding. As woot pointed out, demanding a passcode may be a usable situation, but in all honesty, there are much easier ways to crack into a computer and steal the information than torturing a guy who is going to give a bunch of false passcodes. Also, if they are even remotely intelligent, they'll have it set up so it wipes after x number of tries, so the torture method here also fails.

 
I'm sure that psychological torture can work wonders, but that's because it messes up your mind, warping it into something that can actually be used to garner information. (Other)

Physical torture is stupid though, and only is humorous as a sort of plot device to test someone's balls of steel.

 
I think torture is just plain inefficient. It's politically too messy. It's slow. It's unreliable.

Even in a WW2 situation, where tens of thousands of civilians get raped and murdered if battles fail, torture was just not the chosen method.

Friendship works way better than torture. Give a POW a nice room, a TV, a girlfriend, in the cell next to the screams of his friends and smell of burning flesh. I'm sure they'll talk.

 
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