Poll of the Day: Old Sparky

Should death penalty be legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • Only in certain cases (war time etc)

    Votes: 11 42.3%

  • No

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Total voters
    26
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I understand where the anti exceution wing is coming from and simply frying every rapist or a murderer in the chair is not acceptable to me. But neither is letting people like Aleksander Breivik walk free or even letting him stay alive. Or another example is Andrei Chikatilo (109 murders), Chikatilo was shot luckily. Pedro Lopez who murdered and raped over 100 (proven) children is walking free today. This is not acceptable by any standarts. 

Aaaaand war time deserters should be shot. 

 
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If you truly understood the arguments against capital punishment, you would be against capital punishment. But alas, ignorance reigns supreme.

If you people with your backwards, illogical mindset and your outdated moral standpoint really want to murder people so badly, join the military. You'll have no issue with sating your bloodlust and justifying taking lives there.

You are no better than the murderers and assorted criminals you seek to punish.

Oh, and it's Anders, not Aleksander.

 
Big Brother said:
If you truly understood the arguments against capital punishment, you would be against capital punishment. But alas, ignorance reigns supreme.

If you people with your backwards, illogical mindset and your outdated moral standpoint really want to murder people so badly, join the military. You'll have no issue with sating your bloodlust and justifying taking lives there.

You are no better than the murderers and assorted criminals you seek to punish.

Oh, and it's Anders, not Aleksander.
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If you truly understood the argument for capital punishment you would be for capital punishment, but alas

Maybe try discussing without insulting.

 
RobertELee said:
Damn Big Brother way to sound like a bitch and insult people for not agreeing with you. Just like all the illogical people you are arguing against. 
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I'm not insulting anyone, least of all because they don't agree with me. Their opinion is a result of ignorance and the emotions they feel that hinder rational thinking. This isn't an insult, it's merely stating the obvious. And frankly, if you're going to accuse me of insulting someone as if doing so is some kind of wrongful act, then maybe you shouldn't insult me in the process. It hurts your credibility, and basically renders your words meaningless.

alyster said:
Who said anything about punishing. If you kill and rape 100 people I just want you not alive anymore. I don't want you punished. 
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You seek the death of other people because they have committed certain acts. One can define punishment as "a penalty imposed for wrongdoing". So yes, according to this definition, you seek to punish, because when you think about someone raping a hundred people, you get mad, you feel certain things, and thus you are let yourself believe that other people should die because you experience these fleeting feelings. And as a result of this, you sink to the level of murderers, making the only difference between you and them the fact that they murder themselves, while you would have the criminal justice system commit your murders for you.

Countries with capital punishment very often have more violent crime than those who don't. Like I've said before, all it does is fulfill the wish you and people with the same opinion as you have to see other people killed. It doesn't decrease violent crime and is useless in such a regard.

 
I think we should organize a capital punishment for you because I feel mad. I feel mad because you put words in my mouth. This makes me feel things inside. Your ignorance of failing to understand how great things can be acomplished by ending someone's life makes me sad. Capital punishment is a God given right. 

 
alyster said:
I think we should organize a capital punishment for you because I feel mad. I feel mad because you put words in my mouth. This makes me feel things inside. Your ignorance of failing to understand how great things can be acomplished by ending someone's life makes me sad. Capital punishment is a God given right. 
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Haha, this gave me a good laugh!

I'm so sorry for calling you out on your irrational nonsense, truly. By making this post above, you have done more to prove your own ignorance than I ever did. Well done, I hope you're not too disappointed when you discover that "God given rights" don't exist.

 
Big Brother said:
Haha, this gave me a good laugh!

I'm so sorry for calling you out on your irrational nonsense, truly. By making this post above, you have done more to prove your own ignorance than I ever did. Well done, I hope you're not too disappointed when you discover that "God given rights" don't exist.
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We as a society have the right to decide who we want in our society and who not. For example Iran kills gay people. Good for them, we should have done it as well before things got out of hand. 

 
Big Brother said:
Right.. yes, of course, all gay people should be murdered 9_9

Whatever you say, buddy.
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I thought from all the people you would understand. We as a society have the right and the obligation to keep our children safe. Just think about the children. 

 
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Big Brother said:
I'm not insulting anyone, least of all because they don't agree with me. Their opinion is a result of ignorance and the emotions they feel that hinder rational thinking. This isn't an insult, it's merely stating the obvious. And frankly, if you're going to accuse me of insulting someone as if doing so is some kind of wrongful act, then maybe you shouldn't insult me in the process. It hurts your credibility, and basically renders your words meaningless.

You seek the death of other people because they have committed certain acts. One can define punishment as "a penalty imposed for wrongdoing". So yes, according to this definition, you seek to punish, because when you think about someone raping a hundred people, you get mad, you feel certain things, and thus you are let yourself believe that other people should die because you experience these fleeting feelings. And as a result of this, you sink to the level of murderers, making the only difference between you and them the fact that they murder themselves, while you would have the criminal justice system commit your murders for you.

Countries with capital punishment very often have more violent crime than those who don't. Like I've said before, all it does is fulfill the wish you and people with the same opinion as you have to see other people killed. It doesn't decrease violent crime and is useless in such a regard.
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that a rational approach to decision making can be applied to capital punishment. In reality, there is no rational and objective benefit from keeping the prisoner alive. There would likely be more of a benefit to killing them than there is a cost. So if you were to follow your own logic in this case you wouldn't have any real objections to capital punishment. You are basing your opinion on some moral truth you believe to be right, because your emotions tell you so. Murdering people is wrong to you, and therefore you're attempting to show how murdering people is irrational and based solely on emotion. That's not an argument. You're setting up a double standard and it's not fair.

 
Big Brother said:
I'm not insulting anyone, least of all because they don't agree with me. Their opinion is a result of ignorance and the emotions they feel that hinder rational thinking. This isn't an insult, it's merely stating the obvious. And frankly, if you're going to accuse me of insulting someone as if doing so is some kind of wrongful act, then maybe you shouldn't insult me in the process. It hurts your credibility, and basically renders your words meaningless.

" If you people with your backwards, illogical mindset and your outdated moral standpoint really want to murder people so badly, join the military. You'll have no issue with sating your bloodlust and justifying taking lives there. "

"your words meaningless."
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So that's not an insult?

In fact, all of your argument is you saying and basing yourself as the moral high ground. AKA you believe you are right, which is fine, but as I said before, you are going about it like a bitch when you throw insults at people. Those who throw the first stone and such.

 
Piratemonkey said:
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that a rational approach to decision making can be applied to capital punishment. In reality, there is no rational and objective benefit from keeping the prisoner alive. There would likely be more of a benefit to killing them than there is a cost. So if you were to follow your own logic in this case you wouldn't have any real objections to capital punishment. You are basing your opinion on some moral truth you believe to be right, because your emotions tell you so. Murdering people is wrong to you, and therefore you're attempting to show how murdering people is irrational and based solely on emotion. That's not an argument. You're setting up a double standard and it's not fair.
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No, there is nothing rational about capital punishment. It has no positive effect on anything and serves no practical purpose. My argument is not solely based on "some moral truth" or any emotional considerations, it's based on very simple reasoning. If you choose to ignore these parts and come up with your own version of what my argument is, then go right ahead, but don't expect to get anywhere by pursuing that course of action.

RobertELee said:
So that's not an insult?

In fact, all of your argument is you saying and basing yourself as the moral high ground. AKA you believe you are right, which is fine, but as I said before, you are going about it like a bitch when you throw insults at people. Those who throw the first stone and such.
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No, it's not an insult. If I was to insult anyone, I'd say worse things than I have, I'd say things that are irrational and inaccurate, and I would make no attempt to conceal or deny it. What would be the point of such concealment and/or denial? Like I've already mentioned, the basis of my argument is simple reasoning. If we disregard morality entirely, my argument (which you have misunderstood) still stands. And really, I have to repeat myself, if you're going to call someone out on making insults, don't make insults yourself.

As entertaining as this is, I have very little left to add to this discussion and it's a dead end. You are of course free to keep it going at your own leisure, but I can't guarantee that I'll bother with participating.

 
Big Brother said:
No, there is nothing rational about capital punishment. It has no positive effect on anything and serves no practical purpose. My argument is not solely based on "some moral truth" or any emotional considerations, it's based on very simple reasoning. If you choose to ignore these parts and come up with your own version of what my argument is, then go right ahead, but don't expect to get anywhere by pursuing that course of action.

No, it's not an insult. If I was to insult anyone, I'd say worse things than I have, I'd say things that are irrational and inaccurate, and I would make no attempt to conceal or deny it. What would be the point of such concealment and/or denial? Like I've already mentioned, the basis of my argument is simple reasoning. If we disregard morality entirely, my argument (which you have misunderstood) still stands. And really, I have to repeat myself, if you're going to call someone out on making insults, don't make insults yourself.

As entertaining as this is, I have very little left to add to this discussion and it's a dead end. You are of course free to keep it going at your own leisure, but I can't guarantee that I'll bother with participating.
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But you can guarantee that you want the last word, and as such you have stated that you did have the last word, so out with the wind like the moral high ground upstanding gentleman that you are I guess. Even tho you have no moral ground to stand on with your invalid argument. You are just trying to say you do when in fact you have no facts to back up that the death penalty is immoral at all.

 
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