Poll of the Day God
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Khilafah
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There is no God, except Allah.
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Cenna
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Yes I believe in the God of the bible. What I don't like is those who chose to take what they want and leave what they don't like. But don't expect me to shove it down your throat cause as alyster said it's rude and I believe it will never lead anyone to God.
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Infinite Citadel
Odium
"God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on"
Infinite Citadel
Odium
Fair enough. I'm atheist but I generally don't get into religious arguments (I've met other atheist that seek them out). I feel some people need belief in a higher power for this reason or that, and I respect it (the rest of my family is extremely religious and I still love them 
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Khilafah
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I can agree with this, especially the part about picking and choosing what to follow, that's what I personally find most annoying.
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Big Brother
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You find the freedom to choose your own beliefs annoying? How dull, dogmatic and oppressive. This is partially why people abandon religion, because it inhibits our freedom of choice and claims it's right to do so.
The world would be better off without this blight you call religion, and I genuinely believe it needs to be resisted and combated at every opportunity, for the good of all mankind. Asking me to respect religious views is like asking me to respect racist views, which is something I won't do.
"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, "I'm willing, Lord! I'll do whatever you want me to do!" Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas. And anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you, you don't. How can I be so sure? Because I don't know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not.
The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you actually comes at a terrible price.
If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife, for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the billions of their fellow travelers."
The world would be better off without this blight you call religion, and I genuinely believe it needs to be resisted and combated at every opportunity, for the good of all mankind. Asking me to respect religious views is like asking me to respect racist views, which is something I won't do.
"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, "I'm willing, Lord! I'll do whatever you want me to do!" Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas. And anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you, you don't. How can I be so sure? Because I don't know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not.
The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you actually comes at a terrible price.
If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife, for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the billions of their fellow travelers."
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Khilafah
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If you claim to believe something is the word of God then you should follow it to the letter. Otherwise don't claim that you believe it's the word of God. It's that simple; I can not stand hypocrisy. On a final note, Mr New Age Athiest: I pity your miserable existence and have no reason to argue with you. To you be your way and to me be mine.
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Big Brother
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I assure you my existence is quite wonderful (secular societies are great) and I'm in no way affiliated with New Atheism, although I do look somewhat favorably upon their doings.
Following every single word of so called "holy scripture", is ludicrous and illogical. They are filled with archaic commandments and moral advice suited for past centuries, it's unreasonable to expect that everyone should follow all of them or that they all have any place in modern society.
It is I who should pity you. You who have been duped into believing a massive, delusional fantasy, you who will never see what you believe in come true.
Following every single word of so called "holy scripture", is ludicrous and illogical. They are filled with archaic commandments and moral advice suited for past centuries, it's unreasonable to expect that everyone should follow all of them or that they all have any place in modern society.
It is I who should pity you. You who have been duped into believing a massive, delusional fantasy, you who will never see what you believe in come true.
Cenna
Well-known member
Using scientific facts that aren't no where near true and for the most part false to avoid one question and that is what if? Your right and I'm wrong then I spent my life having hope and faith and a reason to live but if I'm right then what? What happens then? Then I get to spend my eternity in heaven with my god and as the bible says the ones who aren't saved will be judged and account for every sin they've ever committed then be thrown into the fiery pit. I really suggest you consider this fact of what if. As far as any other comments I'm done.
James Ironwood
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I would rather spend eternity in a pit of fire than bow before any god that sends millions of people to a place of eternal suffering just because they were born in the wrong religion or refuse to believe in something as questionable as religion.
Floating Hippo
Resident Hippo
There is two things you don't argue about, religion and politics.
This argument has been going on for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
You guys wont be able to resolve it, it's best if we just keep our beliefs to ourselves and are accepting of others. You won't be able to change neither parties side so don't waste your time.
This argument has been going on for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
You guys wont be able to resolve it, it's best if we just keep our beliefs to ourselves and are accepting of others. You won't be able to change neither parties side so don't waste your time.
Big Brother
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First of all, "scientific facts" as you say, are empirical facts because they have been proven to be real and true. You cannot state that scientific facts "aren't no where near true and for the most part false" because that is an oxymoron, a pure contradiction.
Secondly, I wasn't aware that I'm obligated to answer every question in this thread, least of all those not directed straight at me.
Your "what if" scenario has no significance or meaning to me. It is borderline insanity to live your life based on what could be, especially something as absurd as the Abrahamic god. Your hell doesn't scare me because there is no hell. Your heaven is meaningless to me and holds no appeal to me, because there is no heaven. I accept the world for what it is, and I am at peace with it. I don't need your wishful thinking to have purpose, meaning, or to make the reality in which we live more tolerable. Once you accept humanity's tiny, unimportant place within the scope of the universe and all time, you will experience true freedom. Friedrich Nietzsche once wrote something very clever about humanity's place in the cosmos:
"Once upon a time, in some out of the way corner of that universe which is dispersed into numberless twinkling solar systems, there was a star upon which clever beasts invented knowing. That was the most arrogant and mendacious minute of "world history," but nevertheless, it was only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths, the star cooled and congealed, and the clever beasts had to die. One might invent such a fable, and yet he still would not have adequately illustrated how miserable, how shadowy and transient, how aimless and arbitrary the human intellect looks within nature. There were eternities during which it did not exist. And when it is all over with the human intellect, nothing will have happened."
The entire existence of humanity is but a minuscule fraction of all that has happened and all that will happen. And ever since the birth of life on this planet, ever since the first civilizations arose, things have been changing and will continue to do so. The time will come when every minor and major religion that humanity has ever conceived of will be nothing forgotten tales of lost ages. This particular argument in this thread might not do much, but human beings can be quite effective at facilitating change when we are motivated. In almost every Western society and many other societies around the world, irreligion is rising and it won't stop doing so. If people can be duped into believing divine fantasies, they they can also be convinced to accept scientific realities.
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Infinite Citadel
Odium
It looks like alyster finally got that controversial poll
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