Poll of the Day 1/27/16

[NerdDragon]

other: martian empire

 

[Cenna]

Again like Rickky you're making an assumption that if America lost their war of independence, US would be replaced by a big black hole and every other detail in history would play out exactly the same for 200 years until the point in history you chose to view. 

And still the fact remains we have our modern day superpower - the U.S. - because of the French and their support.

I also said we can argue in circles over what "would be" but simply enough if you look at what did happen and simply look at how different things would be without the British Empire and maybe there is a USA equivalent maybe not but looking at how with the US nazi Germany ended up failing but also without Britain then there's no nation to launch D-day from. But you could still argue that may E another country filled Britain's shoes but honestly no one will ever know. And that's WW2. Take it further back maybe Germany wins wwi. Take it further back to the 7 years war does France lose ground to get to a point of revolution? Do they simply take north America? crush a rebellion there? does a rebellion even start? Britain undoubtedly changed much of the world. I agree so did France and yes France came in at the last minute of the revolutionary war on boats and blockaded the British. America might not have gained independence 

 

[alyster]

How on earth does British Empire suddenly become another black hole on world map if US loses the revolution?  :facepalm:

 

[Cenna]

How on earth does British Empire suddenly become another black hole on world map if US loses the revolution?  :facepalm:

We're speaking of no British Empire in the first place.......

 

[alyster]

We're speaking of no British Empire in the first place.......

So if " Well say America did not get independence " (quoting you)  the British Empire would not exist? 

See this is why I don't like but can not refuse alternative history topics. 

 

[Robert E Lee]

Again like Rickky you're making an assumption that if America lost their war of independence, US would be replaced by a big black hole and every other detail in history would play out exactly the same for 200 years until the point in history you chose to view. 

And still the fact remains we have our modern day superpower - the U.S. - because of the French and their support.

Actually that wasn't the assumption, what I was telling you is that with the growing power of the British Empire they would have stayed an Empire longer and then there wouldn't be the technological achievements today, because all the inventors were against the British, if the revolution had lost they would have been put to death. Seeing as how they were traitors. So yes, a lot of the technology that was started back then would have definitely been put back. So alyster with all of your assumptions, you can just sit the fuck down for five minutes.

 

[alyster]

Actually that wasn't the assumption, what I was telling you is that with the growing power of the British Empire they would have stayed an Empire longer and then there wouldn't be the technological achievements today, because all the inventors were against the British, if the revolution had lost they would have been put to death. Seeing as how they were traitors. So yes, a lot of the technology that was started back then would have definitely been put back. So alyster with all of your assumptions, you can just sit the fuck down for five minutes.

Is there a link inbetween Star Wars Empire and British empire for you or what? Evil British are coming with their hate against progress. Next episode is Return of Trump and New Hope. 

I know I said something unpatriotic for the yanks, but geez you don't need to get your panties twisted now. Stretching 1 event from 1770s to influence just 1 event in 1940s is over extending yourself a bit isn't it. In meanwhile you ignore 170 years of history that all would have been totally different in a way no one knows. You're saying British would have killed all the inventors, I say aliens would have landed. Neither can be proven and both are stupid. 

 

[Goomy]

Looking at 'what if' history is kinda pointless, if any of these Empires not existed then everything would be totally different so it would be impossible to relate to an event that actually took place as circumstances would be entirely different.

The British colonized America, this ended up with America being a power on its on. The end of the British Empire lead to the establishment of the Commonwealth that is made up of over 50 Nations, this is a huge number and shows how far the Empire reached, all of these countries have been affected by the British Empire, and even other nations have been affected. For these reasons I think the British Empire was the most influential

 

[Cenna]

So if " Well say America did not get independence " (quoting you)  the British Empire would not exist? 

See this is why I don't like but can not refuse alternative history topics. 

No what I'm trying to say(may have been worded wrongly) was that had Britain not colonized America. And the only real way to compare what could have been to what has been. Is that you look through the major wars that were fought. For obvious reasons we can't say that a random Empire doesn't fill that void but if you simply cut the 2 out of history then you have major issues to begin with as much of the world is changed for ever. An example. Compare the British Empire never expanding never colonizing the world then look at how much is different. Same with France, say the French and Indian war is not fought as there is no France then maybe Spain fills that void maybe not. The only true way of knowing who influenced more Is by looking at the facts. Whats the number 1 language English or French? What language covers the majority of the world? What language is being tossed around as the global standard language? English. Who spread English throughout the world? The British Empire. Yes France definitely influenced the world but imo the British Empire did so to a greater extent

 

[Bear]

Me right now

But seriously though, let just get the next poll up. Problem with these kind of question is that all of them (or at the very least, most of them) have a pretty big impact on the world it just that the importance of the impact is subjective as fuck

 

[Robert E Lee]

Is there a link inbetween Star Wars Empire and British empire for you or what? Evil British are coming with their hate against progress. Next episode is Return of Trump and New Hope. 

I know I said something unpatriotic for the yanks, but geez you don't need to get your panties twisted now. Stretching 1 event from 1770s to influence just 1 event in 1940s is over extending yourself a bit isn't it. In meanwhile you ignore 170 years of history that all would have been totally different in a way no one knows. You're saying British would have killed all the inventors, I say aliens would have landed. Neither can be proven and both are stupid. 

So, in a treasonous act of rebellion, you would not execute the traitors. SUUUUUUUUUUUUURE

 

[alyster]

So, in a treasonous act of rebellion, you would not execute the traitors. SUUUUUUUUUUUUURE

So if all of your colony is in open rebellion and you put it down, then you commit genocide? We can go rounds and rounds. 

 

[Robert E Lee]

So if all of your colony is in open rebellion you commit genocide? We can go rounds and rounds. 

Rounds and rounds of your ignorance.

 

[alyster]

Rounds and rounds of your ignorance.

I'm ignorant because I don't agree with your sci-fi? 

If American revolution would have been a failure

- British Empire would turn on everyone with a diploma in colonies

- Hitler would have ruled the world

- UPN would have rolled us in the last war

And you call me ignorant for saying lets not make up fairytales with out no realistic historical support. 

 

[Infinite Citadel]

I did not expect much controversy from this poll. Boy was I wrong...

 

[Robert E Lee]

I'm ignorant because I don't agree with your sci-fi? 

If American revolution would have been a failure

- British Empire would turn on everyone with a diploma in colonies

- Hitler would have ruled the world

- UPN would have rolled us in the last war

And you call me ignorant for saying lets not make up fairytales with out no realistic historical support. 

So, who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson, John Stevens, Aaron Burr, Benjamin Rush.

All major figures of the American Revolution, all with varying contributions to modern law, science and ethics, not to mention a little thing called the Cough Constitution Cough. Even if the British empire didn't catch and execute them for treason, without the backing of a new nation and the environment of the burgeoning United States they would have been in no position to make any of the important advances that they heralded. That's not even talking about the potential effect of there never being a USA to have the Civil War, helping to abolish slavery and force equality, or the number of advancements made in the USA that might have been made impossible under the continuing rule of the British empire.



For throwing in Hitler.



For mentioning UPN.

So all in all yes, I will call you ignorant.

 

[Rin]

If the American Revolution failed, there would just be another one, like what happened in all other colonies. It might not even be violent, though there may have been some historic changes... no American Civil War, less gun freaks.

And a lot of the British colonies had non violent revolutions, compared to say the Spanish, who had mostly violent independence revolutions. So the colonizing country really does matter.

 

[alyster]

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You accused me of saying if I didn't like the outcome American revolution I suppoter the German victory in WW2. See page 1. Then we got to the alternative history mastering. If US revolution would have failed then Britons would have retaliated then world would remain stupid then comes Germany and wins the WW2. Or however you planned out the timey-wimey stuff how two events are tied together across 170 years. 

Alex is also probably right. 

 

[Robert E Lee]

You accused me of saying if I didn't like the outcome American revolution I suppoter the German victory in WW2. See page 1. Then we got to the alternative history mastering. If US revolution would have failed then Britons would have retaliated then world would remain stupid then comes Germany and wins the WW2. Or however you planned out the timey-wimey stuff how two events are tied together across 170 years. 

I noticed that's not a retort to the actual argument.

 

[alyster]

That's a summary. After ten rounds of tango I still refuse to go into the topic* if that had been differet then this that and that would be different in world politics. That's sci-fi. 

*Well okay I did promise aliens would have invaded but whatever.