Nuremberg Trials Justified?

Do you think the Nuremberg Trials were Justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 85.7%
  • No

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
    14

Ryan Miller

Active member
Poll of the day. Another installment of the Justified series (who's keeping track of how many I've made so far). This time, it's about the Nuremberg Trails that happened after the Second World War. Hope you like it.

 
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I think the basic concept was justified, as trying people regarding war crimes makes sense. I disagree with the fact that the nuremberg trials were just limited to the Nazis, as they weren't the only ones with internment camps(the US had them too). I feel that everyone who committed or could be accused of committing a war crime should have been tried. I also believe the punishments handed out were not okay, as they involved the death penalty, and as a person opposed to capital punishment on the grounds of you can't bring back someone who is dead. As such, I believe the Nuremberg trials are only partially justifiable.

 
remind me again when americans rounded up everyone in the internment camps and gassed them
He may be referring to the Japanese internment camps the U.S. had in Hawai'i during World War II. No gassing though to the best of my knowledge.

 
I think the basic concept was justified, as trying people regarding war crimes makes sense. I disagree with the fact that the nuremberg trials were just limited to the Nazis, as they weren't the only ones with internment camps(the US had them too). I feel that everyone who committed or could be accused of committing a war crime should have been tried. I also believe the punishments handed out were not okay, as they involved the death penalty, and as a person opposed to capital punishment on the grounds of you can't bring back someone who is dead. As such, I believe the Nuremberg trials are only partially justifiable.


While still horrible, the US internment camps were nothing compared to the Nazi concentration camps. The camps run by the nazis were death and/or slave labor camps. The US at that time was very racially charged, especially towards the Japanese, from what I've learned the reason for the Internment camps was to 1) Keep America safe from spies and/or an uprising of the Japanese-Americans. 2) keep Japanese-Americans safe from the racists of the population. Hindsight is 20/20 and while I can't imagine rounding up people based on their race, enough people felt it was in the best interest of the majority.

Even still, I don't think the Internment camps and concentration camps are comparable. The US was not trying to commit genocide.

All of this is aside from the fact that the Nuremberg trials were not solely about concentration camps, but about what happened inside them (biological experiments on children, gassing, starvation, slave labor as a few examples) and the conduct of the German nazi army. 

I agree with you, anyone who commits a war crime or crime against humanity should be tried and brought to justice, it's a shame that the "winning" side are the ones who get to hold those trials. I just hope that the US can hold it's military accountable and ensure it only does it's job: Protect the American people (and sometimes, when necessary, protect others)

 
I never stated they were comparable. I just disagree with the fact that the US members got off scot free, and to add injury to insult, there were no confirmed cases of Japanese spies, and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was the most successful unit in US history, and consisted of purely Japanese-American soldiers, and the US refused to acknowledge that it was in fact a bad action until Clinton, and even then the payments awarded were significantly less than the property loss that the Japanese-Americans suffered due to the interment camps. Whereas there were confirmed cases of Italian and German spies living in the US, and yet there were no internment camps for them. There is also the issue that the fact that the US even conducted this is barely acknowledge in American History textbooks (it got a paragraph in my APUSH textbook). 

 
He may be referring to the Japanese internment camps the U.S. had in Hawai'i during World War II. No gassing though to the best of my knowledge.


I know what he's referring to - but bringing up US internment camps as if they were anywhere NEAR close to the Holocaust is either being willingly ignorant of history or intentionally disingenuous. 

I never stated they were comparable. I just disagree with the fact that the US members got off scot free, and to add injury to insult, there were no confirmed cases of Japanese spies, and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was the most successful unit in US history, and consisted of purely Japanese-American soldiers, and the US refused to acknowledge that it was in fact a bad action until Clinton, and even then the payments awarded were significantly less than the property loss that the Japanese-Americans suffered due to the interment camps. Whereas there were confirmed cases of Italian and German spies living in the US, and yet there were no internment camps for them. There is also the issue that the fact that the US even conducted this is barely acknowledge in American History textbooks (it got a paragraph in my APUSH textbook). 


I learned about this shit in elementary school, middle school, and high school in public school in one of the worst public school systems in the country.  Sounds more like you had bad teachers as opposed to us "barely acknowledging" it since we have movies, tv shows, plays, and books about the topic, it's taught in our schools, and you can't even discuss world war 2 or war crimes in general without someone bringing it up.

 
I never stated they were comparable. I just disagree with the fact that the US members got off scot free, and to add injury to insult, there were no confirmed cases of Japanese spies, and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was the most successful unit in US history, and consisted of purely Japanese-American soldiers, and the US refused to acknowledge that it was in fact a bad action until Clinton, and even then the payments awarded were significantly less than the property loss that the Japanese-Americans suffered due to the interment camps. Whereas there were confirmed cases of Italian and German spies living in the US, and yet there were no internment camps for them. There is also the issue that the fact that the US even conducted this is barely acknowledge in American History textbooks (it got a paragraph in my APUSH textbook). 
I mean you brought them up specifically in this debate and suggested they should also have been tried for war crimes. I'm not sure which war crimes you're referring to, because that is an extremely vague area, and international law was quite a bit less available at the time, and when you enforce laws, they generally need to exist. The actual war-crimes that I am ware of are more along the lines of rape/unwarranted executions of prisoners, done by the US, and maybe those deserve additional attention in this conversation.

As an aside, I do agree with you, but I find you bringing up only US history war-crimes(?) in response to German war-crimes to be a completely anti-western sentiment that excludes many greater horrors than US intern camps that legitimately deserve more spotlight in a debate about increasing the scope of the post-WWII trials. For example, they massacred thousands, comfort women, etc. There were actually trials carried out afterwards though, and I'm sure some of the people behind these things were punished, however, this is a great parallel for your argument and demonstrates potentials for double standards that the allies were not held to.

In effect, I think the ICoJ should have considered trying allied war-crimes in an efficient and strict way in the early 50s, because it would have been an effective time to grant it some power, since it has basically become a small influence on politics. I don't disagree with you overall, but I do disagree with using a weak argument to debate this issue.

 

I know what he's referring to - but bringing up US internment camps as if they were anywhere NEAR close to the Holocaust is either being willingly ignorant of history or intentionally disingenuous. 

I learned about this shit in elementary school, middle school, and high school in public school in one of the worst public school systems in the country.  Sounds more like you had bad teachers as opposed to us "barely acknowledging" it since we have movies, tv shows, plays, and books about the topic, it's taught in our schools, and you can't even discuss world war 2 or war crimes in general without someone bringing it up.
Totally true, I heard about this repeatedly in middle school and high school from my history teachers, and I also have seen it discussed in music and film at the least. (Kenji by Fort Minor is the song that comes to mind immediately). This is not a topic that is shied away from, unlike the more "standard" war-crimes that the US perpetrated. The only ones that I can think of that were publicized as heavily were the ones perpetrated at Abu Ghraib, and some of the terrible things that were done to Native Americans.

 
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