NihBetodaru
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No idea... I'd imagine it's the same reason that people think the Kardashian's are good people... Idiocy is on both sides of the aisle...
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InvincibleLeek
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InvincibleLeek
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InvincibleLeek
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And the world is not ready
For a female president.
For a female president.
I think her being elected would further push for gender equality, though the only reason i think alot of people support her is because she's female, not her policies etc.
InvincibleLeek
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Yes, just the same way people pushed for Obama because of his skin color. I would never vote for Clinton or Bernie, but I really dont like Donald either.
I think obama was different, as he didnt come across as badly, aslo didnt he beat clinton in 2008?
InvincibleLeek
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No, it was another one, John McCain
McCain was the republican candidate.
Obama beat Clinton to be the 2008 democrat candidate
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InvincibleLeek
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Oh. Politics are not my thing xD
No that's false, I don't like trump, but hell I'd even take him over Ted Cruz, it's a joke that's he's an elected official at all.
Anyways I am personally hopeful for Bernie and Iowa showed it's certainly a possibility.
Woot
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I think Bernie is a frightening candidate, but nobody realizes it because the details of economic policy are so little understood and rarely brought up. Few people know or care that he wants to put up protectionist tariffs, tax all trades of financial instruments, dismantle banks, force unionization, etc. Say what you will about the other candidates, but until I catch them trying to pour gasoline on the GDP, I can live with them. Except Trump, his economics suck too - he's exactly the same as Bernie as far I'm concerned, they're both just populists.
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First off you do really think economics is the most important issue facing politics because I am just baffled how you can say regression of human rights that many of Republican candidates aim to cause isn't more of an issue than it. Further more...
You say that like it's a bad thing?
"trades of financial instruments" aka wall-streets & banks have been out of control for years because the government has been in their pockets because of money influencing politics for years that's only grown worse, both were guilty for causing tremendous damage to the American economy during the housing market burst that they set up that was doomed to fail and yet majority of them felt nothing for their crimes thanks to government bailouts and and instead hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans paid the price for their malicious acts of greedy. That's just wrong.
It's a broken system that serves the hyper rich not the people, so yes it needs taxes and massive changes with much more oversight and monitoring of them.
Wait no... places banning Unions tend only give people more money when the minimum wage is raised which is basically never because corporations lobby against even for just matching it against inflation and numerous benefits are denied all the time like the USA is literally the last major industrialized nation in the world where paid maternity leave isn't the standard thing. And there are countless other ones I could rant about on how this is poorly impacted things.
Um....
You say that like it's a bad thing?
"trades of financial instruments" aka wall-streets & banks have been out of control for years because the government has been in their pockets because of money influencing politics for years that's only grown worse, both were guilty for causing tremendous damage to the American economy during the housing market burst that they set up that was doomed to fail and yet majority of them felt nothing for their crimes thanks to government bailouts and and instead hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans paid the price for their malicious acts of greedy. That's just wrong.
It's a broken system that serves the hyper rich not the people, so yes it needs taxes and massive changes with much more oversight and monitoring of them.
Considering how many places corporations have their importing from places from places for cheap labor that often violates numerous human rights because they don't fully check their supply chains, I'd say at the moment it's understandable measure to make corporations more likely have jobs in America without human rights violations.
Cause of the lack of Unions has worked so well for keeping jobs at reasonable pay with benefits and people out of poverty... in the USA...
Wait no... places banning Unions tend only give people more money when the minimum wage is raised which is basically never because corporations lobby against even for just matching it against inflation and numerous benefits are denied all the time like the USA is literally the last major industrialized nation in the world where paid maternity leave isn't the standard thing. And there are countless other ones I could rant about on how this is poorly impacted things.
RoboMonkey
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Most, if not all, of Sanders policies have worked in at least one place on the planet.
Most, if not all, of the policies every single one of the other candidates put forth have never worked, and have been proven not to work, especially in the USA (our immense debt was argueably cause by shitty conservative policies). Every American policy has been shit, and has only been accepted because they follow the same dogmatic capitalist ideology Republicans have brainwashed Americans into believing is "the foundation of our country". Yeah ok, as if I wanted greed to be the foundation of our country. Corporations steal millions from citizens and then force the government to pay them billions in bail outs. That's not even me being biased, that literally happened. Ask any working class American if they are paid enough for their work and most will say no way.
Sanders has been lobbying for democratic socialist policies that have been proven to work around the globe. And yet, for some reason, most Americans think capitalist solutions to capitalist problems will fix the economy. It's bullshit. Fixing American poverty with American policy is like trying to feed poor people with dirt.
Most, if not all, of the policies every single one of the other candidates put forth have never worked, and have been proven not to work, especially in the USA (our immense debt was argueably cause by shitty conservative policies). Every American policy has been shit, and has only been accepted because they follow the same dogmatic capitalist ideology Republicans have brainwashed Americans into believing is "the foundation of our country". Yeah ok, as if I wanted greed to be the foundation of our country. Corporations steal millions from citizens and then force the government to pay them billions in bail outs. That's not even me being biased, that literally happened. Ask any working class American if they are paid enough for their work and most will say no way.
Sanders has been lobbying for democratic socialist policies that have been proven to work around the globe. And yet, for some reason, most Americans think capitalist solutions to capitalist problems will fix the economy. It's bullshit. Fixing American poverty with American policy is like trying to feed poor people with dirt.
Woot
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It's one thing to regulate banking, it's another thing to go to war against it as if it's an evil force to be stopped and not a vital part of the economy.
If our foreign factory jobs were worse than what the people there could get otherwise, then nobody would accept those jobs. The factory jobs are an improvement, and taking them away just screws those workers, and makes both countries poorer. You could instead be humanitarian by setting up laws to require higher standards in the foreign factories, but that's a whole other discussion, Bernie mainly talks about restricting trade as a way to "bring back jobs". (Which is pretty much economic nonsense, trade is balanced).
Unions can sort of be a solution to some problems, but it's just a nicer word for 'labor cartel', they're inefficient, anything else is better. Changes taxes, regulations, welfare, anything, but please no unions. The public ones alone in my state are an infuriating extortion racket. There's more efficient ways to do anything that a union does.
Paid vacations / maternity leave don't mean a lot to me because changing the way something is paid for doesn't change it's price. You'd end up being paid the same amount total: less when working to cover the cost of being paid on vacation. (In the long run and for non-minimum wage workers).
I don't know where the idea comes from that America is a failure of a country, because the typical American is pretty well off by international standards. Only the richest small bits of Europe could really be argued categorically better. In median disposable income per capita America is #1, by before-tax income we're in the top 10, compared to big European countries like Germany or France we blow them out of the water. (You can find a lot of interesting charts on the Wikipedia articles for median income, household income, etc, they're all adjusted for purchasing power which includes things like healthcare).
America could be improved, but I kind of like this place, and it doesn't appeal to me when candidates say we should turn it into Europe. But that's personal preference, some people like the European system better.
I hope I'm not making too many enemies by shit talking Bernie. I'm not on any party or candidate's side, I don't hate all Bernie's policies, and just because I don't agree with how he wants to do something doesn't mean I'm against it happening.
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