ANOTHER ERA

WHICH ERA WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE IN?

  • 1585 - 1660

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • 1665 - 1745

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 1750 - 1825

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 1830 - 1905

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • 1910 - 1985

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • The Present

    Votes: 9 42.9%

  • 2020 & Beyond

    Votes: 6 28.6%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Total voters
    21
Milord said:
it's easy to judge passed actions with morals and ideals of today, if you grew up backed then you would probably be has immoral as some of them,and if they grew up in the society of today they would probably have the same ideals as you do.
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There are plenty of accounts of the moral debates they had regarding their actions. I've read a few of them. You make it sound like they were children, unaware of the immorality of their behaviors. They knew full and well what they were doing and that it was wrong. They just called the natives "savages" and disguised it under a claim of promoting Catholicism/Christianity in the New World.

 
Nizam Adrienne said:
There are plenty of accounts of the moral debates they had regarding their actions. I've read a few of them. You make it sound like they were children, unaware of the immorality of their behaviors. They knew full and well what they were doing and that it was wrong. They just called the natives "savages" and disguised it under a claim of promoting Catholicism/Christianity in the New World.
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Mitsuru said:
It's easy to judge passed actions and I'll definitely do it no matter what my ideals would've been back then. That's not a reason at all not to criticize what Europeans have done to natives in all parts of the world. Our sense of entitlement has led to the doom of millions of innocent people. I will not stop criticizing how an estimated 36 million people have died during the first century of Spaniards colonizing Latin America just because moral values have differed between then and now. Besides, there were also people back then already who opposed the atrocities committed towards natives like for example Bartolomé de las Casas.
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you must be jooking since when did the world become moral and benevolent it has allways been the law of the fittest. the Roman empire is just a type of small colonisation, but everyone views it as some grand thing, which it was somewhat since it connected Europe in an superpow

 
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Milord said:
you must be jooking since when did the world become moral and benevolent it has allways been the law of the fittest. the Roman empire is just a type of small colonisation, but everyone views it as some grand thing, which it was somewhat since it connected Europe in an superpow
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If everybody still thought like that and if we hadn't made any progress, then Europe would still be war ridden all the time.

 
Milord said:
just one last thing not all sailors are evil, and not all settlers were authoritarian.

don't generalise , it's a fallasy
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Obviously not but if you settle in an area that has been taken away from the natives then you're guilty by de fault.

 
Mitsuru said:
Obviously not but if you settle in an area that has been taken away from the natives then you're guilty by de fault.
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were is your multiculturalism, there is room for everybody. they might have not know about the kidnapping of the native. although this situation is hipothetical

 
Milord said:
were is your multiculturalism, there is room for everybody. they might have not know about the kidnapping of the native. although this situation is hipothetical
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I don't know if you've suddenly landed in the 21st century but I'm still talking about the 15th/16th/17th century when people were well aware what they were doing and who they were taking the land from away. I'll refer to Adrienne who said quite correctly that Spaniards and Portuguese (and all other colonialists in every point of the world) considered the natives "savages" and thought they were entitled to every land. And to call that "multiculturialism" is an insult to all the victims. An estimated 90% of the indigeneous population of South America was killed by diseases brought in by the Europeans and you're asking me where my multiculturalism is? You should be ashamed of yourself.

 
Mitsuru said:
I don't know if you've suddenly landed in the 21st century but I'm still talking about the 15th/16th/17th century when people were well aware what they were doing and who they were taking the land from away. I'll refer to Adrienne who said quite correctly that Spaniards and Portuguese (and all other colonialists in every point of the world) considered the natives "savages" and thought they were entitled to every land. And to call that "multiculturialism" is an insult to all the victims. An estimated 90% of the indigeneous population of South America was killed by diseases brought in by the Europeans and you're asking me where my multiculturalism is? You should be ashamed of yourself.
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So now your judging the same situation with the morals of the past, I sense HIPOCRACCY.

I don't know here you reads

 I  up voting death

I simply said that is how humans have done for years and still do now. you are still generalising .

settlers were looking for a better life not all were psychos .

you know who considered others savges , the Romans, why does not nobody say anything about that. my ancestors died at their hands

if it weren't for colonisation I would probably not exist today.

and od d Nizam only spoke of the scastilians

 
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Milord said:
So now your judging the same situation with the morals of the past, I sense HIPOCRACCY.

I don't know here you reads

 I  up voting death

I simply said that is how humans have done for years and still do now. you are still generalising .

settlers were looking for a better life not all were psychos .

you know who considered others savges , the Romans, why does not nobody say anything about that. my ancestors died at their hands

if it weren't for colonisation I would probably not exist today.

and od d Nizam only spoke of the scastilians
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You're generalizing yourself quite a lot as you seem to assume that I like the romans for any particular reasons or approve of what they've done to a lot of people. I'm still judging the past by the morals of today. You failing to see that is not my problem. And I'm kind of getting tired of discussing this especially because I'm hungry and my done is almost done. Since we're not going to agree on anything here I'll just end the discussion here.

 
Mitsuru said:
You're generalizing yourself quite a lot as you seem to assume that I like the romans for any particular reasons or approve of what they've done to a lot of people. I'm still judging the past by the morals of today. You failing to see that is not my problem. And I'm kind of getting tired of discussing this especially because I'm hungry and my done is almost done. Since we're not going to agree on anything here I'll just end the discussion here.
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it's easy to talk, not so easy to do

encourage you to see the world and see how dark it has been and still is. 

P.S just because I am fallacious doesn't mean you can to it is still wrong

 
Milord said:
you must be jooking since when did the world become moral and benevolent it has allways been the law of the fittest. the Roman empire is just a type of small colonisation, but everyone views it as some grand thing, which it was somewhat since it connected Europe in an superpow
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I'm not joking. You can find and read the same accounts I did. I only spoke of the Spaniards, by the way, because they are the only ones I personally studied in depth.

Edit: These are Wikipedia articles on the subject, but should give you an idea of what I'm talking about at least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_1513

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valladolid_debate

 
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I figured the Capital Punishment poll would have brought such a level of involvement and debate...Now just a simple, what time line do you live in topic, and y'all lose your minds.  Many laughs, thank you all.

 
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