Aliens... real or not?

Idk what my grounds for making stuffs is, but TKR is like meh second home.

The discussion, is whether or not Aliens exist. Now not to cause another "Chicken and Egg" battle, this isn't to turn into a religious bashing, nor a science fight. It's just a simple discussion about aliens.

Have at it... Err, I mean have a fun discussion.

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I would say lifeforms definitely but intelligence lifeforms or even those close to our level of technology is highly unlikely

they're probably dead or will be dead before we could reach them

 
Are ayyliens real? Of course, how dare you.

Illegal aliens? Yes, but not for long, we're going to build a great, great wall.

Space aliens?

I don't think there's any more evidence of alien encounters than there is for ghosts or bigfoot - just hoaxes, anecdotes, unexplained events, and all sorts of indirect observations that are interpreted to fit the theory.

So we can only estimate what the probability is that an alien civilization has developed somewhere else in the universe. This leads to something like the drake equation - take the number of planets in the universe, multiply it by the probability that conditions on the average planet are hospitable to life, times the chance that life happens, times the chance a species intelligent enough for civilization evolves...

The problem is that once you reach the probability that life is generated, you're pretty much speculating wildly. Almost any kind of made up numbers can plausibly be used to get any result you want. 

 
Are ayyliens real? Of course, how dare you.

Illegal aliens? Yes, but not for long, we're going to build a great, great wall.

Space aliens?

I don't think there's any more evidence of alien encounters than there is for ghosts or bigfoot - just hoaxes, anecdotes, unexplained events, and all sorts of indirect observations that are interpreted to fit the theory.

So we can only estimate what the probability is that an alien civilization has developed somewhere else in the universe. This leads to something like the drake equation - take the number of planets in the universe, multiply it by the probability that conditions on the average planet are hospitable to life, times the chance that life happens, times the chance a species intelligent enough for civilization evolves...

The problem is that once you reach the probability that life is generated, you're pretty much speculating wildly. Almost any kind of made up numbers can plausibly be used to get any result you want. 
Well there's speculation, yes, but even with the equation you have to think. We are on the cusp of the Space age (the time in which we will have FTL, Faster than Light, technology) In fact, I read an article quite recently saying that the Space X programs, and Nasa were on the verge of making an engine capable of FTL flight. Then you also have to think that even though the Earth is old, there are other planets leagues ahead of us in the sense of time, and possibly life. I mean, there isn't even a defined number of the amount of Stars, Solar Systems, and/or Planets in our Universe. So Saying that there is a limited number of planets that can support life is an invalid statement (not that you said it, just riffing at this point). Idk, Tbh, I would for extraterrestrial life to be real. Cause what would more terrifying, to not be alone in the Universe, or to be the only life of the cosmos.

This not better end up like that 'Chicken or the Egg' poll.
I'm keeping a wary eye for Cenna xD

we are more technologically advanced than you
I'm sorry to say that Ayyliens are not classified as "Intelligent Life" in my records, life yes, but pot smoking... Life...

Plus I've always wondered, for a super advanced Alien society, why does it always seem like your ships are crashing in all of your ads and pictures. You'd figure you guys would made something for that.

Lol

 
Honestly leaving my religious views at home. With an infinite universe the probably that another race as smart or even smart is probable however the idea of us finding them anytime soon is very unlikely.

 
I think there statistically has to be other lifeforms. 

(hear me out, I am not starting another 2/29 here)

If the big bang theory is correct then life as we know it came out of statistical randomness so why not somewhere else as well? More than likely any other life we find will be single-celled organisms but I hate to say that there being intelligent like out there is not a possibility. I personally would love to see some other lifeforms, I just do not think it can happen in my lifetime. 

Now, no more discussions on the Big Bang and no Quoting me on those seven words I said about it either. 

 
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Well I'm curious of certain things. I'd love for you guys to go through this test below ---V

1 – LOST TIME: A period of time, from minutes to several days, in which you cannot recall what happened to you or what you have done.

2 – UNUSUAL MARKS: On your body like scars, scoop marks, laser cuts in series on ankle, wrist or back. Any scars which you’re unable to explain where you got them from.

3 – TAPPING OR HUMMING NOISES: Hearing these sounds upon odd occasion such as bedtime, just prior to sleep.

4 – BEING WATCHED: A feeling you get, during or just prior to sleep at night.

5 – SLEEPWALKING: You wake up in a different place from where you went to sleep and do not know how you got there.

6 – SEEN A UFO: During your life you’ve seen UFO’s or seen strange lights in the sky.

7 – NEED TO TRAVEL: A strange compulsion to walk or drive to another location without any explanation.

8 – UNEXPLAINED MEDICAL PROBLEMS: Sudden illness, sinus problems, fatigue, migraines or rashes.

9 – UNABLE TO SLEEP: You experience insomnia by way of nightmares, dreaming of UFO’s or being devoured by animals with large black eyes. (Usually associated with common wild animals such as owls, coyotes or wolves.)

10 – IMPLANTS: Your physician or you discover small, strange object inside your body that cannot be explained. Common places are the hip, ankle, foot, nose or hand.

11 – TERMINATED PREGNANCY: You become pregnant and within a few months the pregnancy is terminated, without any explanation or discharge.

12 – SPERM SAMPLES: You believe you have had intercourse in the night or have had semen extracted from your body.

13 – PSYCHIC ABILITIES: You suddenly feel as though you have obtained some degree of psychic ability without any explanation for it.

14 – PARALYZED IN BED: Waking with immobility. For some reason you cannot move your body for a few seconds or minutes.

15 – BALLS OF LIGHT: Flashes of light or beams of light glimpsed through the corner of your eyes or seen directly, head on in your bedroom at night.

16 – DREAMS OF FLYING: Repeated dreams of having the ability to fly or of flying over your house or a familiar area.

17 – STRONG MEMORY: A very strong memory of something unusual such as floating through the air, lying upon an examination table, seeing a hypodermic needle or seeing a strange, skinny baby.

18 - COSMIC AWARENESS: A sudden interest in ecology, environment, vegetarianism or you just become very socially conscious for no apparent reason in your adult life.

19 – YOUR MISSION: You become aware of a strong sense of duty, a mission in life. You have a compulsion to fulfill a task in life but you don’t know exactly what it is or why you have this feeling.

20 – “SPECIAL”: You have a feeling that secretly, known only to yourself, you are special or chosen by someone, somehow.

21 – UNEXPLAINED EVENTS: You have had occurrences in your life which you cannot understand or explain to anyone.

22 – PSYCHIC: You have had the experience of knowing something was going to happen before it happened and then – it did happen!

23 – EYE DREAMS: You remember dreaming about large eyes. Usually familiar wildlife animals such as deer, elk, moose, owl, wolf or coyote. All you remember about the dream are the unusually large eyes.

24 – STARTLED: You awaken in the night, sometimes frequently, feeling a sense of panic or anxiety for no apparent reason.

25 – PICTURES OF ALIENS: You have an aversion to looking at any picture or drawing of an alien, similar to the greys shown on the cover of the book: “Communion”.

26 – FEARS OR PHOBIAS: You have inexplicable feelings of aversion to heights, snakes, spiders, large insects, certain sounds, bright lights, personal safety and/or a fear of being alone.

27 – SPECIAL PLACE: You have a memory of a special place with spiritual significance when you were a youngster.

28 – SELF-ESTEEM PROBLEMS: You have experienced that low worth feeling much of your life.

29 – SEEN IN SLEEP: Someone with you, a partner, become paralyzed, motionless or frozen in time, especially at or during bedtime.

30 – CRAFT OR ALIEN: You have someone in your life who claims to have seen a UFO, been abducted or has witnessed missing time.

31 – BLOOD: You have had times when you found blood, or small drops of blood on your pillow with no explanation how it got there.

32 – UFO’S OR ALIENS: You have had an interest in these topics in your mind with no idea why.

33 – AVERSION: You have an extreme aversion to talking, seeing or listening to any mention of the subject of UFO’s, aliens or abductions.

34 – BEING WATCHED: You have the feeling you are being watched most of the time, especially at night.

35 – SOLID OBJECTS: You have the feeling of having had your body pass through solid objects such as doors or windows.

36 – FOG OR HAZE: You have seen fog or haze when it should not have been there.

37 – NOSE BLEEDS: You have had nose bleeds at some time in your life without apparent cause or you have awoken with a nose bleed.

38 – SORENESS: You awaken with soreness in your genitals which cannot be explained.

39 – BACK OR NECK PROBLEMS: Your back aches without cause or you awaken with unusual stiffness in any part of your body.

40 – ELECTRONIC MALFUNCTION: Certain electronic appliances, (computers, digital watches, etc.) seem to malfunction in your presence with no explanation. Street lights going out when you walk under them or radio and television being affected when you walk by.

41 – RINGING IN THE EARS: Frequent or sporadic ringing in your ears on just in one ear.

42 – BEHIND YOUR EYE: A headache, especially in the sinus, or in just one ear.

43 – MEDICAL PROCEDURES: Dreams of doctors doing medical procedures upon your body.

44 – GOING CRAZY: Having the feeling that you are going insane for even thinking about these sorts of things.

45 – PARANORMAL: Experiencing psychic or odd experiences including intuition.

46 – COMPULSIVE/ADDICTIVE: This behavior either throughout your life or onset at adulthood.

47 – URGE TO TAKE VITAMINS: Do you feel compelled to take more vitamins as the years pass? Do you feel somehow it is helping ‘replenish’ your body?

48 – AFRAID OF THE CLOSET: Have you ever been or are you now afraid of your closet or any closet in the house, having to make certain the door(s) are always shut?

49 – SEXUAL OR RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS: Have had or are having an odd feeling that you must not become involved in a relationship because it would interfere with something.

50 – REMAIN VIGILANT: Fear that if you do not remain vigilant you will be taken away by someone.

51 – DIFFICULTY TRUSTING: Have trouble trusting other people, especially authority figures such as doctors.

52 – DREAMS OF DESTRUCTION: Dreams about catastrophes such as the end of the world.

53 – DON’T TALK: You have the feeling you should not talk about these things or that you are not supposed to talk about these things.

54 – SLEEP AGAINST THE WALL: You feel you must have your bed against the wall.

55 – LOCKING ALL DOORS: You double and triple-check locking up at night to prevent something or someone getting into your home.

56 – CHILDREN OR PARENTS: Have talked about things on this list or you have heard them talk to others about things on this list.

57 – NO SUCCESS: You have tried to resolve some of these problems in your mind but with little success.

58 – NO RECALL: You have experienced many of these traits but cannot remember anything related to any abduction experience.
 

Now if you want, go through this and either put a yes or a no next to each one, and you if you care to explain the yes, Awesome! If not, then what-ev's.

You don't have to do this if you don't want, but I think it's a "interesting" test.

 
Well I'm curious of certain things. I'd love for you guys to go through this test below ---V

1 – LOST TIME: A period of time, from minutes to several days, in which you cannot recall what happened to you or what you have done.

2 – UNUSUAL MARKS: On your body like scars, scoop marks, laser cuts in series on ankle, wrist or back. Any scars which you’re unable to explain where you got them from.

3 – TAPPING OR HUMMING NOISES: Hearing these sounds upon odd occasion such as bedtime, just prior to sleep.

4 – BEING WATCHED: A feeling you get, during or just prior to sleep at night.

5 – SLEEPWALKING: You wake up in a different place from where you went to sleep and do not know how you got there.

6 – SEEN A UFO: During your life you’ve seen UFO’s or seen strange lights in the sky.

7 – NEED TO TRAVEL: A strange compulsion to walk or drive to another location without any explanation.

8 – UNEXPLAINED MEDICAL PROBLEMS: Sudden illness, sinus problems, fatigue, migraines or rashes.

9 – UNABLE TO SLEEP: You experience insomnia by way of nightmares, dreaming of UFO’s or being devoured by animals with large black eyes. (Usually associated with common wild animals such as owls, coyotes or wolves.)

10 – IMPLANTS: Your physician or you discover small, strange object inside your body that cannot be explained. Common places are the hip, ankle, foot, nose or hand.

11 – TERMINATED PREGNANCY: You become pregnant and within a few months the pregnancy is terminated, without any explanation or discharge.

12 – SPERM SAMPLES: You believe you have had intercourse in the night or have had semen extracted from your body.

13 – PSYCHIC ABILITIES: You suddenly feel as though you have obtained some degree of psychic ability without any explanation for it.

14 – PARALYZED IN BED: Waking with immobility. For some reason you cannot move your body for a few seconds or minutes.

15 – BALLS OF LIGHT: Flashes of light or beams of light glimpsed through the corner of your eyes or seen directly, head on in your bedroom at night.

16 – DREAMS OF FLYING: Repeated dreams of having the ability to fly or of flying over your house or a familiar area.

17 – STRONG MEMORY: A very strong memory of something unusual such as floating through the air, lying upon an examination table, seeing a hypodermic needle or seeing a strange, skinny baby.

18 - COSMIC AWARENESS: A sudden interest in ecology, environment, vegetarianism or you just become very socially conscious for no apparent reason in your adult life.

19 – YOUR MISSION: You become aware of a strong sense of duty, a mission in life. You have a compulsion to fulfill a task in life but you don’t know exactly what it is or why you have this feeling.

20 – “SPECIAL”: You have a feeling that secretly, known only to yourself, you are special or chosen by someone, somehow.

21 – UNEXPLAINED EVENTS: You have had occurrences in your life which you cannot understand or explain to anyone.

22 – PSYCHIC: You have had the experience of knowing something was going to happen before it happened and then – it did happen!

23 – EYE DREAMS: You remember dreaming about large eyes. Usually familiar wildlife animals such as deer, elk, moose, owl, wolf or coyote. All you remember about the dream are the unusually large eyes.

24 – STARTLED: You awaken in the night, sometimes frequently, feeling a sense of panic or anxiety for no apparent reason.

25 – PICTURES OF ALIENS: You have an aversion to looking at any picture or drawing of an alien, similar to the greys shown on the cover of the book: “Communion”.

26 – FEARS OR PHOBIAS: You have inexplicable feelings of aversion to heights, snakes, spiders, large insects, certain sounds, bright lights, personal safety and/or a fear of being alone.

27 – SPECIAL PLACE: You have a memory of a special place with spiritual significance when you were a youngster.

28 – SELF-ESTEEM PROBLEMS: You have experienced that low worth feeling much of your life.

29 – SEEN IN SLEEP: Someone with you, a partner, become paralyzed, motionless or frozen in time, especially at or during bedtime.

30 – CRAFT OR ALIEN: You have someone in your life who claims to have seen a UFO, been abducted or has witnessed missing time.

31 – BLOOD: You have had times when you found blood, or small drops of blood on your pillow with no explanation how it got there.

32 – UFO’S OR ALIENS: You have had an interest in these topics in your mind with no idea why.

33 – AVERSION: You have an extreme aversion to talking, seeing or listening to any mention of the subject of UFO’s, aliens or abductions.

34 – BEING WATCHED: You have the feeling you are being watched most of the time, especially at night.

35 – SOLID OBJECTS: You have the feeling of having had your body pass through solid objects such as doors or windows.

36 – FOG OR HAZE: You have seen fog or haze when it should not have been there.

37 – NOSE BLEEDS: You have had nose bleeds at some time in your life without apparent cause or you have awoken with a nose bleed.

38 – SORENESS: You awaken with soreness in your genitals which cannot be explained.

39 – BACK OR NECK PROBLEMS: Your back aches without cause or you awaken with unusual stiffness in any part of your body.

40 – ELECTRONIC MALFUNCTION: Certain electronic appliances, (computers, digital watches, etc.) seem to malfunction in your presence with no explanation. Street lights going out when you walk under them or radio and television being affected when you walk by.

41 – RINGING IN THE EARS: Frequent or sporadic ringing in your ears on just in one ear.

42 – BEHIND YOUR EYE: A headache, especially in the sinus, or in just one ear.

43 – MEDICAL PROCEDURES: Dreams of doctors doing medical procedures upon your body.

44 – GOING CRAZY: Having the feeling that you are going insane for even thinking about these sorts of things.

45 – PARANORMAL: Experiencing psychic or odd experiences including intuition.

46 – COMPULSIVE/ADDICTIVE: This behavior either throughout your life or onset at adulthood.

47 – URGE TO TAKE VITAMINS: Do you feel compelled to take more vitamins as the years pass? Do you feel somehow it is helping ‘replenish’ your body?

48 – AFRAID OF THE CLOSET: Have you ever been or are you now afraid of your closet or any closet in the house, having to make certain the door(s) are always shut?

49 – SEXUAL OR RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS: Have had or are having an odd feeling that you must not become involved in a relationship because it would interfere with something.

50 – REMAIN VIGILANT: Fear that if you do not remain vigilant you will be taken away by someone.

51 – DIFFICULTY TRUSTING: Have trouble trusting other people, especially authority figures such as doctors.

52 – DREAMS OF DESTRUCTION: Dreams about catastrophes such as the end of the world.

53 – DON’T TALK: You have the feeling you should not talk about these things or that you are not supposed to talk about these things.

54 – SLEEP AGAINST THE WALL: You feel you must have your bed against the wall.

55 – LOCKING ALL DOORS: You double and triple-check locking up at night to prevent something or someone getting into your home.

56 – CHILDREN OR PARENTS: Have talked about things on this list or you have heard them talk to others about things on this list.

57 – NO SUCCESS: You have tried to resolve some of these problems in your mind but with little success.

58 – NO RECALL: You have experienced many of these traits but cannot remember anything related to any abduction experience.
 

Now if you want, go through this and either put a yes or a no next to each one, and you if you care to explain the yes, Awesome! If not, then what-ev's.

You don't have to do this if you don't want, but I think it's a "interesting" test.
I can run at the speed of light Idk if that works out for you. Lol

I find this thread oddly placed .... Wait Bill are u being affected by aliens.(serious right now)

 
Fermi Paradox: The big question is why we haven't encountered any yet.

Space is big. There are lots of Earthlike planets. A lot of those planets are waaay older.

So why haven't we encountered aliens?

1. We got way further than other life would have. You can go creationist on this, saying that spacefaring life would not naturally exist. Or we got extremely lucky to have evolved past a certain point of sentience.

2. Spacefaring is as difficult as we think. Space being as big as it is, no aliens ever got here. Or maybe they got here when Earth was only molten rock and missed us.

3. Intelligent life naturally tends to destroy itself.

4. Intelligent life naturally tends to destroy each other. Alien wars? Death stars? A godlike creature wanting to be the sole god?

5. Extinctions happen a lot. Dinosaurs never got the chance to reach sentience. Humans may also be wiped out by a meteor, supervolcano, etc before we can be a spacefaring race. This is the main reason Elon Musk wants to send us to Mars (as a backup) and why some Tesla cars are designed to survive a supervolcano atmosphere.

 
Beliefs is not necessary there are plenty of facts that say yes they are real.

It's more fun to list the actual potential evidence.





 
Lol wellll the only reason I bring this up is because I just so happen to be a part of a giant network of Alien Encounter research ma-bobs. And an interesting event happened last night, so I was all alien themed.

The test above is actually a commonly used one for finding out if you've had the likely hood of an abduction happen to you. Fun stuff right der.

 
[SIZE=10.5pt]1 – LOST TIME: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]2 – UNUSUAL MARKS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]3 – TAPPING OR HUMMING NOISES: Yes- occasionally [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]4 – BEING WATCHED: Yes – very paranoid[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]5 – SLEEPWALKING: Yes – not since I was young[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]6 – SEEN A UFO: Yes – very clear memory, I was in the 7th grade[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]7 – NEED TO TRAVEL: Yes- inexplicable desire to walk into the field behind my house[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]8 – UNEXPLAINED MEDICAL PROBLEMS: being perfectly healthy, sick for a day, then waking up completely healthy again[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]9 – UNABLE TO SLEEP: Yes - often[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]10 – IMPLANTS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]11 – TERMINATED PREGNANCY: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]12 – SPERM SAMPLES: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]13 – PSYCHIC ABILITIES: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]14 – PARALYZED IN BED: Yes - frequently[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]15 – BALLS OF LIGHT: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]16 – DREAMS OF FLYING: No – just falling[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]17 – STRONG MEMORY: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]18 - COSMIC AWARENESS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]19 – YOUR MISSION: Yes – has since passed[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]20 – “SPECIAL”: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]21 – UNEXPLAINED EVENTS: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]22 – PSYCHIC: Yes - frequently[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]23 – EYE DREAMS: Yes - seldom[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]24 – STARTLED: Yes - often.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]25 – PICTURES OF ALIENS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]26 – FEARS OR PHOBIAS: Yes – heights and large insects[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]27 – SPECIAL PLACE: Yes – in the woods behind my grandparents’ house[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]28 – SELF-ESTEEM PROBLEMS: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]29 – SEEN IN SLEEP: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]30 – CRAFT OR ALIEN: Yes – grandfather has seen a UFO (same as the one I have seen in the same area).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]31 – BLOOD: Yes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]32 – UFO’S OR ALIENS: No.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]33 – AVERSION: No.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]34 – BEING WATCHED: Yes - endlessly[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]35 – SOLID OBJECTS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]36 – FOG OR HAZE: Yes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]37 – NOSE BLEEDS: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]38 – SORENESS: No.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]39 – BACK OR NECK PROBLEMS: Yes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]40 – ELECTRONIC MALFUNCTION: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]41 – RINGING IN THE EARS: Yes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]42 – BEHIND YOUR EYE: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]43 – MEDICAL PROCEDURES: No.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]44 – GOING CRAZY: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]45 – PARANORMAL: No.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]46 – COMPULSIVE/ADDICTIVE: No.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]47 – URGE TO TAKE VITAMINS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]48 – AFRAID OF THE CLOSET: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]49 – SEXUAL OR RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]50 – REMAIN VIGILANT: Yes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]51 – DIFFICULTY TRUSTING: Yes – I feel least same around authority figures such as police and doctors[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]52 – DREAMS OF DESTRUCTION: Yes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]53 – DON’T TALK: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]54 – SLEEP AGAINST THE WALL: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]55 – LOCKING ALL DOORS: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]56 – CHILDREN OR PARENTS: No[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]57 – NO SUCCESS: Yes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]58 – NO RECALL: Yes[/SIZE]

 
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