02/03/19 - Brexit

Are you for or against Brexit (as a concept, not how poorly they've handled it)

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Hariff

Hariff

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oh boy here's the big one of polls!

i'm very for staying as a student i like the idea of being easily able to travel, holidays abroad are easier and the EU could teach britain a lot of things regarding public transport for instance.

 
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Terrible decision for Britain.  Those who voted for it were promised to see slightly lower taxes that was previously necessary to facilitate remaining in the E.U. and was often the point the proponents for Brexit pointed to, but many/most who voted for Brexit didn't understand the full set of consequences they would incur in addition to those tax reductions.  They neglected to consider the higher costs to buy and lower profits to sell British goods to the E.U. countries given that being apart of the E.U. previously allowed free trade.  Thus, overall the GDP should come done some as well as most peoples individual incomes while seeing some increases in costs for the British people.  This is the reason why some British politicians are now saying "we should undo what the voters wanted because in essence we have come to learn that this was a bad idea"...

Anyway, any time you impede on peoples rights to deal with others and have "free commerce", you snuff the fire on what they can make, what you can tax, and how the country is overall.  It's why a libertarian approach to governance is important to meeting the nation potential.  at least, that is the way I see it.

 
RedFive said:
Terrible decision for Britain.  Those who voted for it were promised to see slightly lower taxes that was previously necessary to facilitate remaining in the E.U. and was often the point the proponents for Brexit pointed to, but many/most who voted for Brexit didn't understand the full set of consequences they would incur in addition to those tax reductions.  They neglected to consider the higher costs to buy and lower profits to sell British goods to the E.U. countries given that being apart of the E.U. previously allowed free trade.  Thus, overall the GDP should come done some as well as most peoples individual incomes while seeing some increases in costs for the British people.  This is the reason why some British politicians are now saying "we should undo what the voters wanted because in essence we have come to learn that this was a bad idea"...

Anyway, any time you impede on peoples rights to deal with others and have "free commerce", you snuff the fire on what they can make, what you can tax, and how the country is overall.  It's why a libertarian approach to governance is important to meeting the nation potential.  at least, that is the way I see it.
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Question is would the USA be happy to have laws imposed upon it's legislature or have Federal law subserviant to a foreign court?

 
Nizam Adrienne said:
Is it really foreign though? Wouldn't the UK be a part of that legislative body?
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Yes it would be. Not to mention that one of the largest talking points of leave voters, immigration, is something the UK could've been much stricter about than they actually were. Leavers just painted it as if they were not able to because of the EU itself. On top of that, the UK had many extra rights other EU countries didn't have because they were always skeptical but an important partner. So everyone else gave them a special treatment.

Not to mention that the leave campaign has breached spending laws, has used the help of Cambridge Analytica and is accused of collaborating with Russia. The pound has fallen more than 10% since the referendum and the British economy is forecasted to possibly shrink by 2-4% in case of a Deal Brexit and 9-10% in case of a No-Deal Brexit. The UK is quite possibly the only country in the world that is imposing economic sanctions on itself.

 
I think people voted leave for many different reasons, it is easy to point the finger at the Torys however, without a sizable Labour vote voting to leave then Brexit would not be happening. It is all to easy to point the finger and say "xenophobia" etc etc etc.

How you can't win a plebiscite like the brixit vote speaks volumes about Cameron et al.

 
Angevin said:
Question is would the USA be happy to have laws imposed upon it's legislature or have Federal law subserviant to a foreign court?
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Almost half of the British voters agreed with your stance on not wanting regulations placed on them, there is no denying that.  Americans largely probably wouldn't want that either.  Hell, TKR didn't want that at the conclusion of this last war when IQ nations were trying to force a series of regulations on us.  But, TKR has to deal with some for the overall good of the alliance, to end the war, and go back to a stronger econ position.  American's largely do for the many organizations they are in because the benefits outweigh the negatives of those groups we are members in.  However, the British (in this instance) seemed to not care about those negatives that came with the decision to leave the E.U. for whatever reason each group had.

There is a reason why the British politicians are debating going against the very act the British voters voted for.  It is a poor decision overall for the British.

 
RedFive said:
Almost half of the British voters agreed with your stance on not wanting regulations placed on them, there is no denying that.  Americans largely probably wouldn't want that either.  Hell, TKR didn't want that at the conclusion of this last war when IQ nations were trying to force a series of regulations on us.  But, TKR has to deal with some for the overall good of the alliance, to end the war, and go back to a stronger econ position.  American's largely do for the many organizations they are in because the benefits outweigh the negatives of those groups we are members in.  However, the British (in this instance) seemed to not care about those negatives that came with the decision to leave the E.U. for whatever reason each group had.

There is a reason why the British politicians are debating going against the very act the British voters voted for.  It is a poor decision overall for the British.
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The campaign to stay was just appauling and it was the only reason we left. if they had bothered to actually campaign to stay in the EU then this mess wouldn't have happenned in the first place as they just assumed stay would win :/  

 
Why does everyone act like this is the worst thing ever? It's not. I know that most people believe this is a myth but there is a whole world beyond the EU to trade with. I promise it's true. Our economy might suffer a bit to start with but it'll bounce back.

But everything I hear about Brexit is: "The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!! We're all going to die!!! Everybody panic and completely lose your shit!!!"

Cool your jets folks. It's not going to be as bad as Project Fear is saying. Good God if Britain had this attitude back in WWII we would have surrendered to Hitler as soon as Poland was invaded.

 
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