Who would win in a war?

(Without nukes and other allies) Who would win in a war between the European Union (including the UK

  • European Union

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • Russia

    Votes: 12 63.2%

  • Total voters
    19

Ryan Miller

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This is just a fun experiment. I like trying new things so why not. Who do you think would win in a war between the European Union and Russia.

First, when I say the European Union, I'm still including the UK. Technically, they are still part of the EU (as of when this poll was created), it's just that they are in the process of leaving. Also, we won't be counting nuclear weapons because if we do, nobody would win (Europe would just be an influence for the next Fallout games). We also won't be counting any allies of these two combatants. That means that you won't be seeing the US helping the EU in a war against Russia, it's just between the EU and Russia.

 
For me, it would be the EU, in the long run. Russia does have a strong military presence and the fact that they have a large oil reserves, but that advantage wouldn't last long. Russia's economy right now is incredibly weak compared to the combined economy of the EU. Even Italy has a much higher GDP than Russia. What I'm saying is that Russia would have the upper hand in that war, but would eventually lose a long term endeavor against the EU. I could go on with Russia having a large number of tanks (more than the US), but again, the EU can chip away this early advantage due to a much stronger economy.

 
depends on which war you mean if it is something like political war then yes ofcourse russia will loose but if it is in the battle ground then EU don't stand a chance russia can take down/invade almost 20-50% of EU in 2 months time period

 
Europe is an economic and politcal center. One that relies on NATO for protection. With the US backing you, who needs a military? With no NATO suppor

 
Somehow managed to accidentally post that as I was typing and apparently can't edit...sooo....As I was saying...

With no NATO support and just a straight up conventional war, Russia takes 'em out pretty easily. EU wouldn't have the time to build up a defense to stop Russia, then it's too late. But that's only because of the parameters given for this hypothetical.

 
Someone has to. At least people know the name Itay and can point to it on a map. I wonder how many people recognize/can point to Gabon without looking it up.

 
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There are no winners in war.

War doesn't determine who is right, just who is left.


Yes.

But to as an answer to the original question, there would be no winners.


Nonsense. Believe me, the guys that own the factories producing the bombs love a good war.

Has Russia ever lost a war?


Just for the most obvious example, although they were on the "winning" side originally, it's pretty safe to say Russia lost WW1. A massive rebellion broke out that took out the Czar and ended the Russian Monarchy in the middle of the war, and they were forced to sue for peace with the Central powers. Enter the Soviets.

 
I do believe EU would win tbh. Russia's population is dwindling, the population as it is, is spread out thin over the country (although mobilization could do something), and their resources aren't at their best. Plus, if all of the EU would get involved, then most likely NATO would get involved, meaning the US would get involved as well.

Plus, Poland wants revenge.

 
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I do believe EU would win tbh. Russia's population is dwindling, the population as it is, is spread out thin over the country (although mobilization could do something), and their resources aren't at their best. Plus, if all of the EU would get involved, then most likely NATO would get involved, meaning the US would get involved as well.

Plus, Poland wants revenge.


While it is almost certain that NATO would be involved, I'm just asking if it was just between the EU and Russia. The only rules are no nukes, and no outside assistance (allies such as the US). But if NATO were to be involved, without nukes, Russia would lose.

With nukes, Antarctica would win

 
Has Russia ever lost a war?
Afghanistan in the '80s.  It was Russia's Vietnam.

I would say they lost the Cold War too...  I mean they ultimately broke up into a whole bunch of countries.

Who do you think would win in a war between the European Union and Russia.


The nations of the EU (which basically means NATO since they are tied to each other, but I'll exclude the US, Canada, and others not in the EU for argumentative purposes) vs Russia... The E.U. is comparatively as powerful as the United States from a total GDP perspective (EU is actually larger than the US), and based on the NATO alliance has the majority of the same types of equipment that the American's have positioned in their countries who have developed the absolute best with their world leading military expenditures.  Additionally, many of the countries alone in the EU have larger GDP levels than Russia.  Germany, UK, France, Italy are and Spain almost is larger than Russia.  In total, the EU collective GDP is about 14 times larger than Russia allowing for superior tax base for the military (speaks to the age and level of the current military equipment in each country).  If you look at military expenditures; you will see according to this data (http://books.sipri.org/files/FS/SIPRIFS1604.pdf) that European expenditures are about 5 times the size of Russian expenditures.  If you compare military equipment, Russia would have the edge in total still from previously huge military expenditures in the '70s and '80s, however, the bulk of their equipment is pushing thirty years or older (ask France what old equipment meant to them when they tried fighting new equipment of the Germans during WWII with equipment that was only about ten years older on average) and based on some reports Russia has only about 10% "current age" equipment.  Whereas, due to NATO policies of sharing defenses, there is some of the most current and best equipment in the world positioned in EU (NATO) nations.  Lastly, what rules the day in modern warfare (like P&W) is air superiority.  The NATO based air power (fighters) in the EU nations is far superior to the Russian fighters which are, once again, mostly thirty plus years old.  The Russians might make some head way on the ground early, but they would never make it far because the EU nations would take the air superiority allowing for an effective ground/air attack.

None of this means anything though, it would never go down like this since the threat of taking this from a conventional war format to a nuclear based war format would mean it is incredibly unlikely to ever occur.  If it does, we are probably all screwed.

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