Poll of the Day 1/27/16

Which Early Modern Country had the most impact on modern society/civilization?

  • Austria

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • British Empire

    Votes: 22 61.1%
  • France

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Ming Dynasty (China)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ottoman Empire

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Prussia

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Qing Dynasty (China)

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Spanish Empire

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36
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Poll 3: Which Early Modern Country had the most impact on modern society/civilization?  

Early Modern = 1453 (Fall of Byzantium and the end of the Hundred Years' War) to 1860 (right before the US civil war and Germany's unification under bismark)

Notes: 

  • Base your vote on what they did during the time period, not after.
  • Since this time period overlaps with the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, I'm not including them and including Prussia/Austria instead (Spain had a role at one point as well). 
 
Easily the British Empire.

the French Revolution was heavily influenced by the American Revolution, which is a direct result of the British Empire

we also see British imperialist presence all over the world from China to MENA to the Americas, not to mention the existence of a massive anglosphere of modern nations involved in defense and a relatively unified culture with idiosyncratic quirks

basically, America has dominated the modern world culturally and legally, which is a direct result of the British Empire.  the French wouldn't even be relevant without the Revolution.

it's not necessarily for the better, mind you, but the internal and foreign affairs and even the culture itself of several of the most powerful nations on earth are directly affected by the british empire during this period

Russia: involved in multiple disastrous wars against muslims after the great game of the 1700-1800s

China: hong kong, boxer rebellion, etc

America: america

India: its entire modern history

hell, we're still seeing leftover british imperialism felt in our culture today when we see that explorer who died

hands down, regardless of whether you like it or not, the british empire was massive in its influence all over the world

 
Voted France because of French revolution - the single most important thing in Early Modern History. The revolution in addition to ancient Greek democracy is a core bases of our modern society. Due to the French we no longer have kingdoms but republics, we don't have aristocracy ruling over us but instead we think of every newborn as a clean sheet in the world that can make his/her own future live the American dream as we say now. We identify ourselves by nationality not by which crown we serve. From military point of view most of the 20th century, including both world wars, were fought by conscription / DRAFT based armies which is another direct result from French revolution and Napolionic wars. 

In addition everything that relates to arts and culture France beats England hands down. British built railroads, French wrote operas and built beautiful castles decorated by world class paintings. 

basically, America has dominated the modern world culturally and legally, which is a direct result of the British Empire.  the French wouldn't even be relevant without the Revolution.
You won your petty little rebellion against the tax collectors because of the French. Just saying. 

French however did something that seemed unthinkable at the time. They not only removed their own king from office but decapitated him :D  . Furthermore due to Napolionic wars the ideas from French revolution spread across Europe (mind that in that day and age Europe = the World). American revolution remain at the same time quite isolated. 

And I don't necessarily view the outcome of American revolution as a positive one. 

 
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Apparently you view the outcome of WW2 as a negative one as well.
Does not compute. British colonies in the Americas would have probably had some similar effect as the U.S. providing resources and manpower. Alternative history's causality is a bitch. We have no real bases to say that different result in an event "A" would have caused a different result in event "B" 200 years later, because we wouldn't even know if event "B" would happen. We're just assuming majority of the timeline would have been the same until our next point of interest in history. For all we know WW2 might have not happened because Germany could have won WW1. 

Also look on the bright side. Had you lost the revolution Santa Anna could have kept Texas. 

 
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Does not compute. British colonies in the Americas would have probably had some similar effect as the U.S. providing resources and manpower. Alternative history's causality is a bitch. We have no real bases to say that different result in an event "A" would have caused a different result in event "B" 200 years later, because we wouldn't even know if event "B" would happen. 
Does compute. Who could say that who was an inventor could really invent under imperial rule?

 
In addition everything that relates to arts and culture France beats England hands down. British built railroads, French wrote operas and built beautiful castles decorated by world class paintings. 
Yes, and they are brilliant. just one problem:You can't move thousands of tons of men and machinery and revolutionise transport with a painting.

we also have some castles. and opera houses. and paintings.

 
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Does compute. Who could say that who was an inventor could really invent under imperial rule?
Who could say the British wouldn't have given them better opportunities. Lets no go there Rickky, alternative history is a bitch in the end of the day we both will look stupid and everyone's annoyed. It's impossible to say that by changing one thing in history everything else remains the same but event "B" will change 200 years later. 

 
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The French Revolution wouldn't have taken place without the American Revolution.  The two feed into each other.

All in all, the French Revolution wasn't possible without the British Empire, which is a huge point in their favor for this poll.

 
The French Revolution wouldn't have taken place without the American Revolution.  The two feed into each other.

All in all, the French Revolution wasn't possible without the British Empire, which is a huge point in their favor for this poll.
And like I said American revolution was a victory because of the French.

Also it did stay rather isolated for the time. One thing is to create a new rules in a colony the other is to break down on 1000 years of aristocracy in Europe. 

 
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Revolutions of 1789, 1830, 1848 all started by the French

Also Napoleon and his codes.

The brits have a good argument though with Industrialization.

And the Spanish have a standing, as most of Latin America's borders can be attributed to it.

 
You won your petty little rebellion against the tax collectors because of the French. Just saying. 
Well say America did not get independence and just say that ww2 does happen that "Petty little rebellion" still played a major roll in picking up Frances slack after they got crushed by the nazis in a matter of months....... and if not then ww1 still played a major roll in it by helping to hold Germany to a stalemate. And if not ww1 then take Britain out completely France would have most likely had a rivalry with Spain instead and France may have never left Europe as pre British Empire, Spain had the strongest navy. We could argue in circles all day long but if you look at history and forget what would change and just take out who contributed to major events then without Britain then Germany would win ww1 and if not then ww2......

 
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Tough choice between France and the United Kingdom.

The industrial revolution was huge, but so was the French Revolution.

The American Revolution I would mostly classify as its own thing under an American banner, not a British one.

 
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The British colonies were some of the best in the world - unlike the other colonial powers, they built their colonies to be homes. Even today, some of the most well developed nations (Singapore, USA, Australia, Malaysia, Hong Kong) were former British colonies.

Spanish, French, Dutch colonies weren't developed and educated to the extent that the British colonies were.

 
Well say America did not get independence and just say that ww2 does happen that "Petty little rebellion" still played a major roll in picking up Frances slack after they got crushed by the nazis in a matter of months....... and if not then ww1 still played a major roll in it by helping to hold Germany to a stalemate. And if not ww1 then take Britain out completely France would have most likely had a rivalry with Spain instead and France may have never left Europe as pre British Empire, Spain had the strongest navy. We could argue in circles all day long but if you look at history and forget what would change and just take out who contributed to major events then without Britain then Germany would win ww1 and if not then ww2......
Again like Rickky you're making an assumption that if America lost their war of independence, US would be replaced by a big black hole and every other detail in history would play out exactly the same for 200 years until the point in history you chose to view. 

And still the fact remains we have our modern day superpower - the U.S. - because of the French and their support.

 
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The French Revolution changed everything for Western civilization. The ideas and principles from the Enlightenment period were spread across Europe and the Congress of Vienna could not overturn the changes it brought forward whether it was in regards to restoring the aristocracy to the ascendency it had prior to the Napoleonic Wars or the borders of several countries in the name of the balance of power and recognizing that several of the hundreds of entities in the former HRE were obsolete as shit. Certainly the American Revolution played a role in the French Revolution, but the Napoleonic Empire is the vehicle that led to changing Early Modern Europe to reflect what Europe would become today. I believe several historians use years between 1789 and 1815 to describe the end of the Early Modern Period to the Modern Era because of how sigificant these changes were.

Several of these other empires played a role in shaping the world like the Ottoman Empire's existence helped pave the way for exploration for Western Europeans. They wanted to bypass the Ottomans rather than having to trade with what virtually all of Europe viewed as the enemy and a scourge that had to be stopped. Plus, dude, they exported coffee to Europe and how could we live today in our modern society live without coffee? Who cares about Tea and the redcoats who drink it anyway, right? They were the first to make huge use of gunpowder in the west with their bombards that helped them take Constantinople. Before the defeats in Lepanto and the 2nd siege of Belgrade they were viewed as invincible and horrifying to the European powers. Also, the Ottoman slap is pretty funny.

I think the British did an excellent job in being the role model in more or less efficient imperialism, maintaining much territory doing whatever it took to profit and rule over an impressive portion of the globe, far surpassing other Early Modern colonial powers who while relevant in the Early Modern Period had faded by the end of the Early Modern period. Spain for example had an impressive American holding in the Spanish Main and Carribbean. The Portuguese and Dutch were important in being the forerunners of trade between South, Southeast, East Asia, and Europe. Although by the end of the Early Modern period the Spanish, Portuguese, and the Dutch started to fade into the background.

Austria had an important role in European politics, especially as an important counterbalance against France and the Ottoman Empire for this period. They were also instrumental in coordinating Reactionary forces to the Nationalism of the 19th century following the Napoleonic Wars and were probably the dominant European after France's defeat in 1815 until Prussia defeated them, excluded them from German politics, and formed the German Empire. 

Qing dynasty, it was all downhill since the First Opium Wars. Also, lol Yuan Shikai.

I'd say France, Britain, Ottomans/Spanish in that order.

 
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