Infinite Citadel
Odium
P&W server's suck. For those that have played PnW/CN/NS, what have you liked and disliked about the various games?
Let's design a new nation sim
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Maeve Thieves
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I like the active options and impacts of NS, but I like the war, trading and city dynamics in this game, the infra, imporvements etc. But I feel stuff like the policy decisions in NS where good to give a more active feel to the game.
In NS however even though there where 'impacts' there was really nothing happening at any given time. P&W interface is shoddy, animations might be nice I guess. However there is a lot of nothing to do, some optional activity could be nice.
In NS however even though there where 'impacts' there was really nothing happening at any given time. P&W interface is shoddy, animations might be nice I guess. However there is a lot of nothing to do, some optional activity could be nice.
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Infinite Citadel
Odium
Not gonna lie - I considered tagging you, but didn't want this to be a shit post. The current server situation is nearly unplayable and can't handle a couple hundred players on at once - not enjoyable at all heh
Infinite Citadel
Odium
CN:
Pros:
PnW:
Pros:
Things I would add to a game like pnw if I had any coding capability:
[*]go with a city system like pnw, but be able to destroy cities - it would make wars much more destructive/allow people to catch up faster. Also thinking of a resource sink a la clash of clans where improvement slots would be tied to a "town center/city hall" that you upgrade for each city
[*]Military units:
[*]Navy:
[*]Air:
[*]Missiles/Nukes
[*]Resources: PnW has a good base system, but would tinker and balance things out
Pros:
- I like the land system better because you can steal it/makes raiding fun
- More alliances at its peak, but that was a result of the internet interest at the time. It has less to do with the game as a whole
- Nukes were actually worth while to use and not a "oh shit I'm screwed" weapon of last resort
- Trading system was bad
- Aid/tech system was bad with the caps
- Admin was inactive
PnW:
Pros:
- The open resource market is fantastic
- The alliance bank is fantastic
- API access was a neat tool
- War system is too heavily reliant on planes
- Cities can be burdensome to update
- Server lag at update obv
- Color system is trash
Things I would add to a game like pnw if I had any coding capability:
- make it primarily app based, I check my nation and slack from my phone most of the time anyway
- make military unit rebuys stack per turn up to a certain amount so there really isn't an "update" so to speak
- add an alliance project feature that has both positive and negative perks, but is expensive
an example for PnW would be +5% air capacity for alliance members, but -5% income or some shit like that
[*]go with a city system like pnw, but be able to destroy cities - it would make wars much more destructive/allow people to catch up faster. Also thinking of a resource sink a la clash of clans where improvement slots would be tied to a "town center/city hall" that you upgrade for each city
[*]Military units:
Ground:
Soldiers (base unit)
- Tanks (turn build split with anti air - bonus against other ground forces)
- Anti-air (turn build split with tanks - bonus against air forces)
[*]Navy:
Destroyer (turn build split with other naval ships - bonus against ground)
- Cruiser (turn build split with other naval ships - bonus against air)
- Submarine (turn build split with other naval ships - bonus against navy)
[*]Air:
Fighter (base unit)
- Bomber (bonus infrastructure damage)
- Attack Helicopter (bonus attack against ground forces)
[*]Missiles/Nukes
Missiles attack units
- Nukes attack cities
- Build cap tied together so you'd have to make a decision on how many of each you have on hand/buy daily etc
[*]Resources: PnW has a good base system, but would tinker and balance things out
Benfro
King of the Heralds
Don't add t many types of each military unit - or else you end up with the cluttered war system CN had.
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Micchan
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Maeve Thieves
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Maybe more 'long term developments' might be handy? Like dunno, I'm all for the instant projects but maybe something that takes some time to research or something might be good, if we do that for top and mid level stuff, then it could maybe add some 'expectation' to the game, not simply come on 'click, click' done and done for the day
So I have a lot of thoughts and feedback on this.
[*]Games like this should have more options
[*]Wars should be as much about gaining as it is about destruction
[*]More combat options
[*]Either you can break someone or you can't in P&W
[*]More different combat types
[*]All unit come out of the population, reducing overall income and effectiveness of your buildings/improvements
[*]More ways to advance your nation
- Games like this should reset regularly.
Another game I play called Utopia resets every 3 months or so, this allows for new things to happen and for people to make new choices.
[*]Games like this should have more options
Utopia uses things like Races to help determine what areas a player is best at
- There should be more buildings
- There should be gains from combat (land/Infra gains, not just $)
[*]Wars should be as much about gaining as it is about destruction
This encourages wars
- Makes people more willing to war
- Makes wars less personal and more fun
[*]More combat options
Espionage is about useless in it's current form
More operations per day and better operations are needed
[*]Either you can break someone or you can't in P&W
In Utopia, when you attack, your army is away for x hours and it will often times weaken your defenses at home. To give a P&W reference instead of using AP, it'd just take 4 ticks for planes to return back home. While they are gone, they are gone. They are not able to defend you.
[*]More different combat types
Attacking and Espionage is cool and all but that is only 2 areas. Force people to focus on more than 2 areas.
[*]All unit come out of the population, reducing overall income and effectiveness of your buildings/improvements
This should be a no brainer. Remove the unit limits, train as much as you want but you have to be able to house, feed and pay all of your units/population.
[*]More ways to advance your nation
Tech, science, magic or whatever.
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Infinite Citadel
Odium
agreed - kept it to three to give just enough specialization/strategy without getting into the stupid CN ship system
Infinite Citadel
Odium
Tech/research is an interesting one - CN tried it and failed (the economy revolved around it and it was OP).
Throwing out a tech system idea:
- You get 100 points to allocate to tech/research
- You get 1 point per day that you log in (to encourage retention)
- You can allocate to three types of tech/research:
military - increases your unit's effectiveness by x%
- economy - increases your nation's income by x%
- industry - increases your nation's resource production by x%
[*]the % obviously balanced
[*]you could also require projects/wonders/advanced buildings to have part of their cost in tech/research points so that people don't just sit at 100 and swap only in preparation for war etc
Like:
- CN's tech system was bad in a lot of ways but good in terms of giving alliances incentives to recruit new players and give new players something to do
- P&W giving the advantage to the tactical offensive helps to balance out politics benefiting the defensive.
- P&W's system of multi-day mobilizing. Creates more strategy.
- In CN when completely beat down there is more you can do to fight back and win a few battles, especially with nukes.
- P&W has a great trading system
- Both games need better mechanics for bigger nations fighting smaller nations. In both big nations who are beaten down can be overpowered in the lower ranks.
- Both games need better mechanics to prevent really long wars and wars of attrition where the loser doesn't have to spend much in the way of resources to fight and the winner drags it on to account for that.
- CN's system for nukes where they have a tactical purpose is way better.
- P&W having cities with different set ups is better than CN's more monlithic set up. Need more reason to specialize cities though.
- CN's tech system was bad in a lot of ways but good in terms of giving alliances incentives to recruit new players and give new players something to do
- P&W giving the advantage to the tactical offensive helps to balance out politics benefiting the defensive.
- P&W's system of multi-day mobilizing. Creates more strategy.
- In CN when completely beat down there is more you can do to fight back and win a few battles, especially with nukes.
- P&W has a great trading system
- Both games need better mechanics for bigger nations fighting smaller nations. In both big nations who are beaten down can be overpowered in the lower ranks.
- Both games need better mechanics to prevent really long wars and wars of attrition where the loser doesn't have to spend much in the way of resources to fight and the winner drags it on to account for that.
- CN's system for nukes where they have a tactical purpose is way better.
- P&W having cities with different set ups is better than CN's more monlithic set up. Need more reason to specialize cities though.
Maeve Thieves
Active member
The increase in the military could really throw balance off though. Economy and stuff sure, but for the military that could really make fighting a war that much harder, definitely for lower levels.
RagnarBuliwyf
Well-known member
It's piss poor, Alex has earned a lot from the game since I last spoke to him. He's got enough to buy a house, pay for college among other things. He could afford to buy a server rack imo.
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